Character Relationships?

[Terros]

I've noticed in some of the threads we end up going off on tangents about the relationship the characters have. So I made this thread so we can talk about that stuff here, you can do any relationship you want. Like Storm's relationship with the heroine, his relationship with the bad guys, relationship to the crystal, to the world ect. Just about any relationship you can think of discuss it here. You might wanna focus on Storm's relationships cause he's the only character we've really seen.

[Ultima Star]

Terros! this is a good idea, so we don't continue going off topic.
Nice Terros:nod:

[Terros]

I have different ideas on the relationship with the heroine:

1) There is an age gap between the characters (either she is older [like an older adult] or younger like a child --> I lean more towards child) This affects how the treat each other

2) The heroine and Storm are enemies but are working together for the time being for the same goal

3) The two are on opposing sides completely but end up working together after some revalation.

[Ultima Star]

Well this is my idea about their relationship:

1- they know each other all their lives and now they're working together and she secretly loves him

2-She is slightly younger than him let's see two or three years?

3-She tries to make Storm see life in a possitive way always there to cheer him up

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Well this is my idea about their relationship:

1- they know each other all their lives and now they're working together and she secretly loves him

2-She is slightly younger than him let's see two or three years?

3-She tries to make Storm see life in a possitive way always there to cheer him up

You see things really postively :blink: but I think Terros's ideas are more realistic.... although I was thinking the heroine would act and be the way you described :D

I have nothing as of right now.... you two took my ideas :rolleyes:

[Ultima Star]

Well yeah the heroine is like that most of the time:D
I agree with Terros in some ways but not in the age part ^_^

[Terros]

I think it would be nice to have a younger heroine, it's not as common. Anywho the oldest I'd want to see her is 16.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

16!!

...So how about the heroine being a manifest of the crystal like you mentioned before in some other thread, Terros?

[Alphonse]

Its a bad idea. A 16 year old .... nope. Doesent fit in my opinion.

[Ultima Star]

Um..for me 17 is a good age..because I think Storm is 19:D

[Alphonse]

I think shes 22.

[Terros]

16!!

...So how about the heroine being a manifest of the crystal like you mentioned before in some other thread, Terros?
I think that might be possible as well, if I had more info about her then I could make a better guess. Anywho if she is the manifestation of the crystal she could appear to be any age, whatever the crystal choses. And if so, do you think she'll have "good" relationship with the hero? I don't, think if she goes the trouble of taking on a human (or human-like) form, I doubt she want's to be locked up in the castle. I say this cause I don't think the crystal's original form is mobile.

[Alphonse]

Thats pretty cool. Well I guess she might just be a rival or budy that have the same mission I guess.

[Ultima Star]

Oh who knows? perhaps she has always been there for him:cunning:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I think that might be possible as well, if I had more info about her then I could make a better guess. Anywho if she is the manifestation of the crystal she could appear to be any age, whatever the crystal choses. And if so, do you think she'll have "good" relationship with the hero? I don't, think if she goes the trouble of taking on a human (or human-like) form, I doubt she want's to be locked up in the castle. I say this cause I don't think the crystal's original form is mobile.

Well true about the age, but the crystal would want her to be strong, no? As a child (10-13) her strength would be weaker than a teen so yeah :P ...Besides she can run faster :lol: If she is truly the manifest of the crystal, then yes, a positive relationship should be required between she and the hero. Maybe she becomes angry or sort of goes againist the crystals commands because (like every human) she wants freedom?

[Terros]

Well true about the age, but the crystal would want her to be strong, no? As a child (10-13) her strength would be weaker than a teen so yeah :P ...Besides she can run faster :lol: If she is truly the manifest of the crystal, then yes, a positive relationship should be required between she and the hero. Maybe she becomes angry or sort of goes againist the crystals commands because (like every human) she wants freedom?
That depends on your idea of strength, it is not limited to physical strength, and in final fantasy physical strength has never been a major concern.

[Desi]

That depends on your idea of strength, it is not limited to physical strength, and in final fantasy physical strength has never been a major concern.Yes it has and also physical force such as magic. That is the problem.

Doesn't matter what age the crystal form takes since it is the crystal and it has near-limitless power.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Yes it has and also physical force such as magic. That is the problem.

Doesn't matter what age the crystal form takes since it is the crystal and it has near-limitless power.

So the manifest would depend solely on magic (no matter at what age)?

[Desi]

No it could have physical prowess as well. The crystal isn't bound to mortal norms and can manipulate force at its will. If it wanted to be a powerhouse that looks like a Cicada it could. That's where I'm getting at.

[Ultima Star]

Ok so now you all say that erhaps she is the crystal?:blink:

[Desi]

Ok so now you all say that erhaps she is the crystal?:blink:No, you are just spouting random things now. I just explained the superior strength of the crystal and you ignored it. I didn't even give a gender to the crystal and you begin talking about a "she" probably referring the the "heroine". No I don't know about the female character, I just know a crystal is not limited to what a person can do and how they can do it.

[Ultima Star]

ok,ok I misunderstood then don't get mad at me:'(

[Terros]

No it could have physical prowess as well. The crystal isn't bound to mortal norms and can manipulate force at its will. If it wanted to be a powerhouse that looks like a Cicada it could. That's where I'm getting at.
Exactly, what I'm saying, is you can't think of the crystals "incarnation" (if it has one) as a human cause it's not. Therefore it is NOT bound by human laws.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Exactly, what I'm saying, is you can't think of the crystals "incarnation" (if it has one) as a human cause it's not. Therefore it is NOT bound by human laws.

So this incarnation should have something that marks it different...?

[Terros]

Yes, may be not in it's appearence but in it's abilties like, super strength as an example.

[Ultima Star]

Are we talking about the relation of Storm and the crystal right?
Well....in my opinion these crystals can also give him the ability of being immortal as an example but then it would be kinda weird...

[Terros]

If he was imortal there would be no challenge and the game would suck.

[Ultima Star]

Yeah that's why I said it would be weird^_^

[N O C T E]

Exactly, what I'm saying, is you can't think of the crystals "incarnation" (if it has one) as a human cause it's not. Therefore it is NOT bound by human laws.

So, maybe, it might be like a cold hearted person because it might not grasp the beliefs of good and evil and right and wrong.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

If he was imortal there would be no challenge and the game would suck.

Not immortal, but probably protected most of the time by the crystal so he would not die by the enemies' swords

[Cloud Strife]

Not immortal, but probably protected most of the time by the crystal so he would not die by the enemies' swords


That is basically immortal ain't it..?? -_-

[Terros]

His abilities would be enhanced by the crystal, but a hit in a critical area and he's finished. Besides if he was immortal, why would he shield himself from the soldiers bullets. If he's immortal they wouldn't be able to hurt him, so why would he sheild himself?

[Ultima Star]

:ohmy: you really have a point there..but I only said that because..I was thinking about his relation with the crystal^_^

[Desi]

If he was imortal there would be no challenge and the game would suck.Lost Odyssey has immortal characters. That has no bearing on the game sucking or not.

[Ultima Star]

Well if his relationship with the crystal was that strong like if the crystal has the abilitie of making him inmortal and perhaps if it was destroyed he could die or things like that..so another reason for protecting the crystal then^_^

Sorry to ask..what's Lost Odyssey?

[Terros]

So basically the crystal would be his weakness.

[Desi]

Sorry to ask..what's Lost Odyssey?

http://www.mistwalker.info/ Content > Lost Odyssey

[Cloud Strife]

True True, the crystall would be his weakness. But, I mean, Even if you are immortal, and I am saying this from the movie Troy. Archiles carried a shield even he was immortal, So.. I am guessing it is basically the same thing. Archiles carries a shield to be protected from swords, and, shielding himself from bullets. And being immortal doesn't really mean if you get hurt you won't die, it also means that you have like -00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.1 chance of getting struck.

[Desi]

The movie was trying to stay believable somewhat. It was making him out as a great fighter (which he was) with a sixth sense, not the story of the semi-immortal who's body would deflect arrows and knock off swords. If they made a movie about the Norse god Balder they would have him getting a lot of lucky breaks not having boulders bounce off his body.

A good scene to see the movie showing the sixth sense/lucky break was when a soldier shot a arrow at Achilles. Achilles flipped his shield around to his back like it normally is and a half a second later the arrow runs into the shield. The end of the movie where he gets shot and a hit actually lands (though it lands at the only spot he is not immortal) he doesn't evade any of the other arrows Paris shoots at him.

[N O C T E]

Or maybe the guy is just a really good fighter. You people are over thinking his ablilities a little to mush. For all you know, you may not even be able to do that EXACT same thing in the game. And for all we know you may start off the game with none of his powers at all and have to play through the game to get them.

As for him being Immmortal ,I agree with Desi, every Immmortal has a weakness, therefore, you cannot be Immortal.

[Desi]

Or maybe the guy is just a really good fighter. You people are over thinking his ablilities a little to mush. For all you know, you may not even be able to do that EXACT same thing in the game. And for all we know you may start off the game with none of his powers at all and have to play through the game to get them.Nomura already said things like he doesn't start the game that strong. He also won't start with all those weapons.

As for him being Immmortal ,I agree with Desi, every Immmortal has a weakness, therefore, you cannot be Immortal. I wasn't the one that said that. All I did was just explaining how they conveyed Achilles immortality in the film compared to the book/poem.

[N O C T E]

That was a good movie by the way.........

Hmm, maybe nobody said that......I had not slept in 2 days......

[Desi]

Nah, that Cloud Strife guy said it.

[ORIVEIRA]

I think the heroine could be the princess of another country
she loves the hero
but the hero has no feeling with her
he just want to prootect his city..

[Terros]

Nomura already said things like he doesn't start the game that strong. He also won't start with all those weapons.

Didn't he say that was just for wow factor in the trailer?

[Cloud Strife]

Nah, that Cloud Strife guy said it.
yeah.. i sure did

[Terros]

We're starting to stray a bit, here, what do you think his relationship with/to the crystal is (like).

[Desi]

We're starting to stray a bit, here, what do you think his relationship with/to the crystal is (like).We aren't straying at all. Especially so if you count the crystal as a character since that is where the whole immortality talk came from.

[Ultima Star]

Well ok so then let's keep talking about the relationships..after all this is what this topic is about anyway-_-

[Terros]

Exactly, let's not get to into the focus of imortality and stay on task with the topic, the relationships, and it does not just have to be character to character, and could also be character to society, ect. Just to broaden the topic.

[Ultima Star]

Ok then I start :nod:

-Storm and his kingdom:nod: I think that...

1) Even if he looks cold and everything his people like him and respect him.

2) It's possible that some events might make them change their mind about Storm.

That's all I've got now..^_^

[Desi]

Exactly, let's not get to into the focus of imortality and stay on task with the topic, the relationships, and it does not just have to be character to character, and could also be character to society, ect. Just to broaden the topic.But the whole focus of immortality was about his relationship with the crystal. It is the topic. You should be able to see that. Even worst is that you said it doesn't even have to be character to character (when the crystal is a character in its own right).

1) Even if he looks cold and everything his people like him and respect him.They respect him because he leads them to victory. They are a world power and enjoy that position. He doesn't show the charisma to be actually loved in the veins of Juilis Ceaser or Alexander the Great.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Ok then I start :nod:

-Storm and his kingdom:nod: I think that...

1) Even if he looks cold and everything his people like him and respect him.

2) It's possible that some events might make them change their mind about Storm.

That's all I've got now..^_^

He's too young, so I doubt they give him the respect to deserves in the BEGINNING.
...But then again it seems like that's somewhere near your opinion so I guess we agree :D

3) (I'm pretty sure this was already spoken of, I kinda remember....) BECAUSE of something is his past, he tends to keep to himself because of the lack of trust or maybe to prevent himself and/or others he cared for from getting hurt

[N O C T E]

Yep. He trusts no-one.

[Ultima Star]

He's too young, so I doubt they give him the respect to deserves in the BEGINNING.
...But then again it seems like that's somewhere near your opinion so I guess we agree :D

3) (I'm pretty sure this was already spoken of, I kinda remember....) BECAUSE of something is his past, he tends to keep to himself because of the lack of trust or maybe to prevent himself and/or others he cared for from getting hurt

Well..I mean..he's the king people have to respect him..even if they don't want to:D

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Well..I mean..he's the king people have to respect him..even if they don't want to:D

Oh..... I want them to rebel :D

Yep. He trusts no-one.

....expect maybe the heroine? :P

[Ultima Star]

Oh..... I want them to rebel :D

It may happen...perhaps the bad guys start telling them that they have to rebel against Storm cos he has the crystal:nod:



....expect maybe the heroine? :P
I don't think he would..though...he could start trusting her later in the game and then KABOOM love flowers:'(

[N O C T E]

Oh..... I want them to rebel :D



....expect maybe the heroine? :P

If anyone rebels it will be V and he will rebel by breaking pacts made with the surrounding countries involving the crystal so......they sent soldiers to kill.

[Ultima Star]

to kill the habitants of his own kingdom?:blink:

[N O C T E]

If that makes him give them the crystal, then yes.

[Ultima Star]

Or perhaps V can go insane and start killing his people:blink:

[Dream Machine]

Prehaps he could kill some of his own people in a very cold and logical way, rather than just being crazy.

We don't know how much, if at all his states democratic rights and indivdual liberty are allowed the people. He doesnt look like merely a figurehead (like the Queen in the UK) he definatly has power. prehaps there are dissenters within the state (if Nomura wanted to be topical they could be called 'terrorists' Haha). He may kill swathes of his own people.

It would be intersting to play as a charecter like that, defending and condoning fascism.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Prehaps he could kill some of his own people in a very cold and logical way, rather than just being crazy.

We don't know how much, if at all his states democratic rights and indivdual liberty are allowed the people. He doesnt look like merely a figurehead (like the Queen in the UK) he definatly has power. prehaps there are dissenters within the state (if Nomura wanted to be topical they could be called 'terrorists' Haha). He may kill swathes of his own people.

It would be intersting to play as a charecter like that, defending and condoning fascism.

Kill his own people? That's....cruel :'(

[Ultima Star]

It's cruel...though..it may happen if his people try to kill him first:rolleyes:

[Dream Machine]

I like anti-heroes! I don't want him to be a nice guy, I want him to be a horrible person!

[Ultima Star]

Sure thing is..he's gonna be a serious person..but not a horrible one:'(

[Devious]

Nice guys finish last, and the hero is never last, therefore we can conclude that he is not very nice.

I'm sorry I'm not very helpful.

[Ultima Star]

I..didn't get what you said:(

[Devious]

It's a saying. "Nice guys finish last"

And the hero never loses.

So the hero never finishes last.

So the hero can't be very nice, now can he? ;)

[Terros]

Prehaps he could kill some of his own people in a very cold and logical way, rather than just being crazy.

We don't know how much, if at all his states democratic rights and indivdual liberty are allowed the people. He doesnt look like merely a figurehead (like the Queen in the UK) he definatly has power. prehaps there are dissenters within the state (if Nomura wanted to be topical they could be called 'terrorists' Haha). He may kill swathes of his own people.

It would be intersting to play as a charecter like that, defending and condoning fascism.

That would be interesting, and it would make you wonder who the bad guy really is.

Btw, could someone update me on what's been happening in this topic, I've been gone the past few weeks.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

That would be interesting, and it would make you wonder who the bad guy really is.

Btw, could someone update me on what's been happening in this topic, I've been gone the past few weeks.

Or you can actually be the bad guy for once :P

Sidenote: Sorry Terros, can't help you there since I only get on once a week or less lately

[Ultima Star]

Be the bad guy..destroy the world..interesting:shifty:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Be the bad guy..destroy the world..interesting:shifty:

So then you don't have to waste time saving citizens :D I'm loving this idea....

[Terros]

Playing the bad guy, would be a very interesting change, but please not something corny like destorying the world.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

lol maybe the Versus dude is just very cruel, that's all :D

Ooooo, torture.... :rolleyes:

[Terros]

Yes, but he could still be the hero and be cruel.

[Ultima Star]

How's that...you mean like a different type of hero?

[N O C T E]

Yes, but he could still be the hero and be cruel.

No, he would just be a CRUEL HERO.

[Lawliet]

Or more along the lines of an "anit-hero". While he's a "good guy", his methods are your typical "in the name of justice!" bullshitz that you normally get. Not one of those goody good guys that just want to help people out do to their strong sense of morals.

They generally have more character flaws, such as issues with anger, fear, etc. and to me, makes them a lot more "human".

That's the impression that I'm getting from this guy. He isn't the blonde hair blue eyed hero that we've come to expect.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

No, he would just be a CRUEL HERO.


So he saves or protects innocent people but can kill his enemies without blinking an eye? :blink:

...Huh?

[Ultima Star]

I'm..confused now...how can someone be the hero and be cruel..it doesn't make sence to me..

[Dream Machine]

I don't think he's ever been labeled as a hero has he? He's the protaganist and as the game is so dark, I doubt he's perfect.

Also, you can be a hero and be cruel, you just have to look beyond the obvious definition of heroes.

You could call Cloud a hero, yet he is a terrorist that kills many people. Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver kills many people and is psychotic, but isn't he ultimatly a hero? There are many more examples in all forms of fiction. Not all heroes are virtuous and not all villians are evil. Enemies are only ever enemies in relative terms. When a story-teller can grasp this it usually paves the way for some good stuff!

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I don't think he's ever been labeled as a hero has he? He's the protaganist and as the game is so dark, I doubt he's perfect.

Also, you can be a hero and be cruel, you just have to look beyond the obvious definition of heroes.

You could call Cloud a hero, yet he is a terrorist that kills many people. Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver kills many people and is psychotic, but isn't he ultimatly a hero? There are many more examples in all forms of fiction. Not all heroes are virtuous and not all villians are evil. Enemies are only ever enemies in relative terms. When a story-teller can grasp this it usually paves the way for some good stuff!

Wow sounds very confusing :( So in what ways can Storm be cruel?

Sidenote: Wow there's a kitty sitting by my window looking at me! ...Scared the crap out of me when I first turned around :lol:

[N O C T E]

Wow sounds very confusing :( So in what ways can Storm be cruel?

Sidenote: Wow there's a kitty sitting by my window looking at me! ...Scared the crap out of me when I first turned around :lol:

The way he kills people. Like..........him taking an Axe, bending it around the guys arm, crushing his bones & Then ripping the guys arm off and not killing him right then, but letting him bleed to death instead. That Cruel enough for 'ya?

[Terros]

I'm..confused now...how can someone be the hero and be cruel..it doesn't make sence to me..

What is your idea of a hero? Heroes are not always "nice" some heroes could even be seen as evil in some cases. I find these heroes to be quite memorable.

I don't know if you're familiar with these characters but here's an example of some heroes who wouldn't fit your idea of a hero.

Lelouch [Zero] from Code Geass - He's fighting to free a country and destory the evil empire that has imprisoned most of the world, yet at times he resorts to killing other groups who are fighting for the same cause, and memebers of the royal family even if they've nothing wrong just because of his personal grudge.

Karen also from Code Geass [Zero's top soldier] - She is also fighting to free her country, but is willing to kill anyone who may discover her.

C.C from Code Geass as well - she saves Lelouch's life but at the same time is willing to use him for whatever she wants.

Riku from KH - he gives into the darkness but his intentions were still good, even though he attacked his best friend Sora.

This is just my opinion but I find that flawed heroes are far better than non-flawed heroes. It's easier to related to imperfect heroes and at times even easier to find reasons for their actions. Personally I find non-flawed heroes like Sora for example extremely annoying. Which they often tend to be.

To be honest I see him having a personality similar to Lelouch's.

[Ultima Star]

:blink: never knew about all those characters..sorry Terros :(
...well../goes and looks at a pic of Storm*...does he seem cruel?..well..if I remember I said...whata if he kills his own people...

[Terros]

Yes, you don't have to be nice, to be a hero, in fact I find that some of the best heroes I've seen, the line between whether they're good or bad can be very blurred.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

The way he kills people. Like..........him taking an Axe, bending it around the guys arm, crushing his bones & Then ripping the guys arm off and not killing him right then, but letting him bleed to death instead. That Cruel enough for 'ya?

That's not cruel :P Pulling their eyes out and then slowly burn them to death is cruel :rolleyes:

....I watch too much TV :lol:

[N O C T E]

That's not cruel :P Pulling their eyes out and then slowly burn them to death is cruel :rolleyes:

....I watch too much TV :lol:

THAT WOULD TO BE CRUEL...........I mean, your bones would be shattered and they would pierce the skin like a 1000 lances.............:w00t:!

[Desi]

:blink: never knew about all those characters..sorry Terros :(
...well../goes and looks at a pic of Storm*...does he seem cruel?..well..if I remember I said...whata if he kills his own people...
Pick up some Classic Literature. All the heroes are very violent and sometimes considered evil.

[N O C T E]

Pick up some Classic Literature. All the heroes are very violent and sometimes considered evil.

Speaking of that, I have to read the Scarlet Letter, I read 10 pages and fell asleep.....<_<

Other than that, I like classic Literature.....Anyway, maybe the relationships in the game will also be like the ones in Classic Literature?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Speaking of that, I have to read the Scarlet Letter, I read 10 pages and fell asleep.....<_<

Other than that, I like classic Literature.....Anyway, maybe the relationships in the game will also be like the ones in Classic Literature?

lol on the Scarlet Letter comment :lol: Personally, I never had much love for classic literature because most of the books are BORING, but it would be interesting to see it in Versus :nod:

[Terros]

Speaking of that, I have to read the Scarlet Letter, I read 10 pages and fell asleep.....<_<

Other than that, I like classic Literature.....Anyway, maybe the relationships in the game will also be like the ones in Classic Literature? Possibly considering judging from what info we have, this may have some similarities to Hamlet.