Abortion

[Allen Walker]

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Yea, I'm against abortion because I don't think its right to kill a child that has a chance at life but doesn't because it gets killed. I mean, couldn't you just give it up for adoption?

[007vader]

I agree with that. There's no reason to do it, and it's just wrong. It's the same as killing someone.

[Devious]

I don't care much for abortion either. The kid might've contributed greatly to society if it had lived.

[Interficio Nocte]

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Yea, I'm against abortion because I don't think its right to kill a child that has a chance at life but doesn't because it gets killed. I mean, couldn't you just give it up for adoption?

Abortion in my opinion is not even the problem. If teenagers and young adults would take the responsibility to be smart enough to get married before having sex or at least being protected while having sex, then half of the problem would be gone.

The other half is the fact that if you ban abortion, then the kids will be put up for adoption, and there are already enough kids that need a home.

Really, you can't win, you just have to pick the side that seems morally right and that has the least amount of reprecussions. One side will be pissed no matter what the verdict so......i vote for Abortion.

[Omni-Cloud]

I agree with the fact that abortion is wrong. However, there is one case where I believe it has to be done. If the mothers life is in danger because of the child or complications with the pregnancy..I believe the mother should be saved...if she so chooses.

Another arguement that has been made is that if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, they should allow her to set up the abortion.

I don't think I agree with that though... Yes, it would be difficult to carry a child that was the result of a rape but afterwords the person could put the child up for adoption. Anything is better than death.


EDIT: And I also agree with ^ Interficio Nocte. If you don't want the kid...then protect yourself.

It's a bunch of crap, these young girls becoming pregnant because they were careless and then pretty much saying....meh, I don't want to deal with it...kill the kid.

It is completely ridiculous.

[Rikku]

OK, I think I am outnumbered when it comes to this but whatever.

I'm pro-choice. If this woman wants to protect herself, okay. It's her body, and if she wants to get rid of the kid, then too bad for the kid -- and the kid technically isn't even a kid yet since abortion only takes place in the first trimester. It's a bunch of cells that are incapable of thought and emotion. It is, from my point of view, not human, and therefore not a child.

Secondly, the whole potential argument is kind of flawed in the sense that while the fetus may have been born a baby that would grow up to become one to contribute greatly to society, it could adversely grow up to be a serial killer.

Thirdly, it's not just young girls and young women who are 'very irresponsible' getting abortions. For one thing, I know people who got abortion in their late 30s/early 40s. For another, maybe they're using protection, but something went wrong -- protection's never 100%. On top of that, rape does happen and pregnancy does spring up as a result.

In that vein, maybe the cirumstances aren't safe enough for the woman or the fetus for her to give birth, like Omni-Cloud is saying. It's possible that the woman could have issues with her health that would ultimately result in the death of both the baby and the fetus. On the other hand, maybe it was a rape. Maybe the woman just isn't financially able to nurture this child or even take care of herself.

[Cathryn]

Considering the fact that the unborn child isn't even a child. Medically it is a foetus.
(Only medically speaking)
I don't find it morally wrong if a mother chooses to end her unborn childs life, its part of her body during those 9 months, she has a choice to end the foetus' life
(considering you can only have an abortion up to 24 weeks into pregnacy)
There is nothing wrong about it, well there is the strong argument of the sanctity of life and how every life is vital and how its god will for every life to be born and how taking life into your own hands is against gods will.
Yet still, it isn't even a life, it is preety much a floating organ, it cannot truly be classed as a life until it is born.


Secondly, the whole potential argument is kind of flawed in the sense that while the fetus may have been born a baby that would grow up to become one to contribute greatly to society, it could adversely grow up to be a serial killer.

Completely agreeable, we have no proof or evidence the unborn child could be a large contribution to socity, and yet there is no possible way of it becoming a contribution without his or hers want to contribute to the world, as a foetus is has no control over anything outside of the womb.

[007vader]

Considering the fact that the unborn child isn't even a child. Medically it is a foetus.
(Only medically speaking)
I don't find it morally wrong if a mother chooses to end her unborn childs life, its part of her body during those 9 months, she has a choice to end the foetus' life
(considering you can only have an abortion up to 24 weeks into pregnacy)
There is nothing wrong about it, well there is the strong argument of the sanctity of life and how every life is vital and how its god will for every life to be born and how taking life into your own hands is against gods will.
Yet still, it isn't even a life, it is preety much a floating organ, it cannot truly be classed as a life until it is born.

It doesn't matter what the baby would grow up to be. The point is if you kill the "foetus" then you're stopping a person from existing that would have. Meaning the person still would have been alive and a living person if you hadn't killed it, and by doing that you might as well have killed the baby as soon as it was born. The difference is nonexistent!! The point is you stopped the person from having a life that would have had one had it not been killed at an early stage. That's what it all comes down to.

[Devious]

It doesn't matter what the baby would grow up to be. The point is if you kill the "foetus" then you're stopping a person from existing that would have. Meaning the person still would have been alive and a living person if you hadn't killed it, and by doing that you might as well have killed the baby as soon as it was born. The difference is nonexistent!! The point is you stopped the person from having a life that would have had one had it not been killed at an early stage. That's what it all comes down to.
You eat eggs, but would you kill a chick?

[Dream Machine]

That brings up a good arguement! I'm a vegetarian but I eat eggs. Why? Because it's not a proper living thing yet, at least in my mind.

I'm pro-choice (though I hate that term. The emotional language is annoying, its like saying your opponents are anti-choice or anti-life). I believe that the foetus isn't yet councious so isn't really alive yet. its a part of the woman and a woman should have the right to do whetever she wants to her own body.

The potential arguement doesn't make any sense. If two people were about to have sex and got interrupted, then is that a crime? because if they hadn't she may have gotten pregnant and may have given birth at some point to a child that may have had a good life?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

It depends on the situation I guess, some people's bodies are too weak to withstand pregnacy, or they're too young to be able to feed the kid.... I dunno, but it's still a living thing, you can't just....kill it :(

[007vader]

You eat eggs, but would you kill a chick?
Well.. I'm not killing the egg it died (was killed whatever you want to say) in the fridge they put it in, so it has nothing to do with what I would do personally. Now yes I will "eat" an egg I also will eat chicken, that's what they are for. I will answer this question but, I don't want to get into a discussion about whether it's good to kill animals for food, that's not the point of the thread.

So your question doesn't hold relevance. We kill eggs AND we kill chickens, we don't justify killing the eggs. If we killed adults and you thought that was ok too then we would be having a different discussion. But you think it's wrong to kill an adult but not a human "egg" (per say). But in our society we don't care if you kill a chicken as an egg or an adult. killing a chick is frowned upon due to the fact that no one likes to see a baby anything get killed. But that is only because they are cute and are easy to get attached to, an egg is immobile and a chicken is annoying so people don't have as much sympathy.

So all in all no one cares about killing a chicken as an egg or as an adult we're dealing with a subject that that doesn't apply to. Everyone cares if you kill an adult, and I'm trying to say that there is no difference between killing an adult human or a human before it's born.

[007vader]

The potential arguement doesn't make any sense. If two people were about to have sex and got interrupted, then is that a crime? because if they hadn't she may have gotten pregnant and may have given birth at some point to a child that may have had a good life?

Because then it would be an accident in the most extreme sense. Even if you knew they were going to have sex you wouldn't know if they would have a baby. If you did then you can tell the future and yes that would be a bad thing do with your powers. But since no one can tell the future then there is no way to say that you killed the baby by stopping them. It wasn't definite it happened the way it happened so that was the way it should have happened, it's kind of a time travel thing. It's like saying that you're a murderer because you decided not to have kids, or because you died and would have had kids. It's so hypothetical that unless you could tell the future and changed it you can't have done anything wrong.

[Devious]

Like other people have said, there is a difference between killing and adult and an unborn baby. Adults (at least most of them) are sentient beings. They are aware, and they certainly feel pain. Also, there are people in their lives who would suffer if they died. Now, a fetus is different. It has no thought process, it can't feel pain, and it's the parents dicision(wtf sorry my brain died for a moment I forgot how to spell "decision") to kill it, so there's really no one suffering from it's death.

I don't considering it murder when you kill a fetus, since before it fully develops it's on the same level as a plant. And saying that abortion is murder because the fetus will grow into a human being is like saying squirrels are evil because eating acorns causes deforestation.

[Allen Walker]

But still, why have an abortion when you can just give it up for adoption? That doesn't make any sense.

[Devious]

But still, why have an abortion when you can just give it up for adoption? That doesn't make any sense.
Because

1. The kid's gonna have a hard life thinking that his parents abandoned him and shit.
2. Childbirth is pretty painful
3. The parents will suffer in the amount of time they do spend with the baby.
4. Childbirth is risky, you never know what might happen.
5. There are enough orphans, don't make more.

Still though, the best solution is still safe sex. (or safer in some cases)

[Allen Walker]

Still though, the best solution is still safe sex. (or safer in some cases)

Agreed.....

[TEA TOWEL HOLDER]

Its mainly 14 year old chavs who shouldnt be having sex in the first place. In most cases I dont understand how it happens because chav girls munt level is usually extremely high. ;(

[Devious]

Its mainly 14 year old chavs who shouldnt be having sex in the first place. In most cases I dont understand how it happens because chav girls munt level is usually extremely high. ;(
I'm turning 14 in like a month and I doubt I'll get laid any time soon. Very rarely does anyone ever get pregnant before the age of like 16. Maybe it's just because everyone in England is permanantly horny.

What's munt? Lemme guess, British English for "boner?"

[Demon Eyes]

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Yea, I'm against abortion because I don't think its right to kill a child that has a chance at life but doesn't because it gets killed. I mean, couldn't you just give it up for adoption?

Yet, you support the death penalty? I'll never understand some peoples logic.

[Lifrasthir]

OK, I think I am outnumbered when it comes to this but whatever.

I'm pro-choice. If this woman wants to protect herself, okay. It's her body, and if she wants to get rid of the kid, then too bad for the kid -- and the kid technically isn't even a kid yet since abortion only takes place in the first trimester. It's a bunch of cells that are incapable of thought and emotion. It is, from my point of view, not human, and therefore not a child.

"God says, 'Before I shaped you in the womb, I knew all about you. Before you saw the light of day, I had holy plans for you.'" - Jeremiah 1:5 MSG

So yes, I'm against abortion. Though I don't know what my feelings are about adoption. I admit, I do struggle sometimes about thinking my parents abandoned me because they hated me and didn't love me. But y'know, I've been fortunate enough to have such loving people in my life.

The thought of so many orphans saddens me greatly. I can really sympathize with them.