Do you think....

[elephant_lost]

Do you think the U.S. will be invaded in the near future??
Not like terrorist attacking us
But like another countries military blowing things up, gun fire, you know like a real invasion.

I honestly think so with how big of bullies the U.S. govt is being lately and for how we attack countries for no other reason other then revenge (which isn't really a reason)

ALL opinions and comments are always welcome
And feel free to bash the U.S. lol

[Sidderz]

I shouldn't think so, I could see the U.S being heavily nuked by another country but not invaded.

Rather negative I know.

[elephant_lost]

Yeah you got a poin there, I could see that aswell
Or they'll invade us and then nuke us

Now that seems pretty negative -.-

But I can just imagine us being invaded by another country, like our invaders are showing us "how it feels" kinda thing...

[Muramasa]

The US has too much military power. We wouln't be invaded or nuked, rather corrupted from the inside.

[elephant_lost]

I don't think we have like the best Military personally
I think like as a comfort thing we THINK we do
For all we know Russia (for example) could kick our asses in an invasion
Or maybe even Pakistan's military, there are alot of smart military powers out there that I think are capable of destroying us :/

[Lucrecia]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/nuclear_mistake

This may have been a mistake and may have not been from another country, but still. Something could have happened and I don't think many people would care. It would just go to show how clumsy and lazy the U.S. can be.

[elephant_lost]

Yeah I guess we'd sooner destroy ourselves before any other military power could it seems.

[Muramasa]

Ok, that's unnerving.:blink:

You've got a point there. But I really don't believe that the US would be attacked directly. Of course, there's a first time for everything, but I seriously doubt it. We may not have the greatest military power, but we've got more money. And money means more than forces in war.

[Cathryn]

This is all Bushes fault. <_<

[Halfmetal]

What isn't Bushes fault?

[Muramasa]

What isn't Bushes fault?

LOL, good one.:lol::lol::lol:

[Demon Eyes]

You guys think Bush is really the one making the decisions? Personally I don't think it matters who the president is, he is just a voice.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

You guys think Bush is really the one making the decisions? Personally I don't think it matters who the president is, he is just a voice.

That's true, but as the representative of the nation, naturally all the blame gets dumped over his head.

[elephant_lost]

I blame the ENTIRE Bush Administration
He only won by cheating
<_<

[Sidderz]

I blame the ENTIRE Bush Administration
He only won by cheating
<_<

Quoted for truth. :P

[Thefutureisnow]

Internal corruption would be the root cause in any case, the typical american has a very look down the nose attitude which will get the nation in trouble soon enough

[TEA TOWEL HOLDER]

I don't think anyone be invaded in the near future to start a war. They'll just use nukes. ;/

[007vader]

You know what's kind of sad is we have a bunch of teenagers to young adults here talking about how stupid Bush and the government are and in reality you all probably have NO FREAKING CLUE what's going on in the government. You may think you do but in the end there's so much junk being thrown out by a media that hardly knows the details themselves. And also, you all bash Bush for not being PERFECT and you fail to see he is another human being and will make mistakes and you all couldn't even do half as good of a job as him anyways.
I don't claim to know more than all of you about the government but I think you are all repeating what you've been told by the media and other people and don't really get as much as you think you do. I guess personally I just find political debates to be a waste of time. Since we all aren't going to actually do anything about it and are just talking about the failings of other people.

And in answer to your original question, I suppose someday the US will fall since all great nations do eventually. Although I don't think it will be in my lifetime or even my great great great great grandchildren's lifetime.

And I'm sorry if I offended you all but I really needed to let that out.

[safer_waters]

i must agree with 007 to a point. it does, in fact, sound to me like many people (and no i'm not just referring to the people who have posted in this thread) have become skilled at the art of regurgitation. the media is often horribly wrong about pretty much everything, not just politics. to quote them or even rehash their statements is often a rather unwise choice. i will admit that there ARE some pundits and figures who do get things right fairly often, but i have yet to see one that is always right all the time. period.

that being said, i also have to acknowledge the fact that the current state of affairs is certainly nothing to brag about. public support for the current government is quite low these days and that's why i believe that a democrat will more than likely win the next election. so there are certainly two sides to this debate.

to answer the OP, there is no way that we would ever be invaded. this isn't me being naive, it's just me being realistic. there is no other country out there that could ever hope to invade us by means of ground/air forces. yes, other countries have formidable armies, but most if not all of them are in some way allied with us. could another SURPRISE attack happen? possibly. but to think that an all-out war could ever be waged on our soil is ludicrous. our defenses are backed by an unfathomable amount of money and, as such, prevent others from launching a large-scale attack against us.

however, as many of you have said, a nuclear strike is always on the minds of those in charge of worrying about such things. once again, countless dollars are spent on systems aimed at preventing such an attack. IF we were to be attacked, i feel that this would probably be the means used. ground forces will never set foot on American soil, plain and simple.

[Devious]

No way. America's too powerful, and any country who attacks it is instantly antagonizing half the world. Japan, Canada, England, China, etc are all America's allies and no matter how much a few of the citizens hate america, the government is going to do the wise thing and ally with the US.

[Inferno187]

the US is too big to invade in my opinion.
You'd need like all of Europes armies combined to invade it..
Unless you have this like army of super soldiers or sumthin and take the US state by state, but a full frontal attack doesn't seem possible without nukes..

[Devious]

Yeah, and chances are they're gonna nuke NY. If they do that, I'll be exposed to radiation D:

[AT23]

Although I will not really question one's... humanity perse, I will comment on some of the things that have been said by others. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say, directly or indirectly that they want the president to be *perfect*. That is just not humanly possible, if that was why can't he be the world leader or the one almighty himself. However people do expect better, since to change/evolve/get better you need to strive for that. And any person who wants to become president of the U.S.A needs to step up to that plate. Sure, the media does distort some information, but there are also media that seek and unearth the truth, and for a lot of people who aren't even working for the media or been in a journalist's shoes, those people usually seek the "raw" info, or again, the truth. So for all the people griping about Bush not doing his job, it's not too far from the truth. To have distorted info is one thing, but the video footages of Bush playing golf is not a lie. Whether he spends his time doing that instead of his duties is questionable, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case because of the negative feedback the Bush Administration has been getting. So saying Bush isn't at fault or people expect him to be perfect, is pretty much what you speak of what the media is doing: putting words into people's mouth. Which pisses people off. So don't jump to conclusions mmk?

To safer_waters, if you understand anything about economy, the U.S. is IN DEBT, to these other countries you speak of. Yeah, most of the money our country has and generates does go to the military, but to say we have all means and any amount of money to back up our military is an overstatement.

People need to pay attention and have to be open to the views of other aspects and factors in something, I find way too many people are focused on one point and see it from one/their point of view and claim most people don't know anything when they themselves either are misinformed or are pulling things like a magic trick out of their imaginary hats.

As to be on topic, the thing is anything is possible, if the U.S. is to be invaded it simply is invaded, no can do at the point it happened if it were to happen. I would rather have a peaceful world where people arne't jumping at each other's throats... but I guess only time will tell if something might snap along the time line or whatever.

[steeld]

there's no more reason to invade the U.S. it's already being destroyed from within.

[safer_waters]

@AT23 : i can say that i am somewhat educated when it comes to the economy of the US. i understand that we are in "debt" and that most of that debt is being bought up by the likes of China. most people don't realize that China literally OWNS us (and no i don't mean that in the internet-speak way). i fully understand that the money isn't entirely well spent, but other countries do invest in us for a wide variety of purposes; they might be trying to fulfill their own goals, but other countries do have an inherent interest in us and our success as a country and as an economy.

as a side note, don't let the term "debt" be made into something that it is not. yes, we do spend and import more than we export as a whole. is this a bad thing? well, it depends on how you look at it. the dollar will become weaker (and it in fact has), meaning that our currency is much less valuable abroad. however, that also means that other countries will have a stronger currency and will be motivated to import products from us. this in turn is good for american businesses. running a deficit as an economy is not everything that some would have you believe. don't let the big bad D word scare you...it many cases it is actually a positive, not a negative.

as for the media, i would like to point out a thing or two: i am not totally against the media. i do agree that there is a need for INDEPENDENT media sources to share RELEVANT information to the public. however, i don't agree with the media choosing political/religious/moral "sides" on topics and only reporting from one vantage point just so that their parent company will be happy. one needs only to look at the recent election to realize how corrupt many of the media outlets have become. Ron Paul was overlooked and flat-out ignored by literally ALL of the media outlets, even though he WAS in fact running (and in many cases standing out from the other candidates). however, his ideals were too "radical" or "different" for the media, so they just ignored him to the fullest extent possible.

for a topic perhaps closer to home, what about the recent highlight on Mass Effect and how it apparently is "pornography"? a so-called "expert," Cooper Lawrence, branded the game as such with literally no actual of the game. these types of sensationalist stories are what make me seriously doubt the overall credibility of the media.

i could go on, but i'm sure i will end up becoming incoherent at some point :rolleyes:

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[AT23]

I'm actually glad that you are on the same page as me safer_waters, I wasn't sure if bringing China up would... offend people. I'm also glad people can have discussions with backed up knowledge and education, unlike some people who try to seem and think they're smart by hitting a nail that's already been hit (and, can be hit by a 5 year old even), much less contradict themselves to the extreme and give some people some shit and giggles for momentary amusement. However, I was discussing this very issue of the U.S. being in debt to China in my U.S. history class, and it's... I guess a "blessing" for some U.S. citizens or the country as a whole if you will that China hasn't called in yet to pay up.

As for relevant/independent and mainstream media, yes I have my likes and dislikes like you do. I almost want to say, and probably will just say hate the "sides" we created, the label of being right or wrong, etc. Or let's just say I hate politics, can't live with them, can't live without them in this world.

I wouldn't necessarily say a debt is evil or the ultimate wrong, but it does show when calculated into those sums of... lets for the sake of it use money as an example. The problem with debts are that they are just as subjectable to the views of an individual. A lot of people will associate that with greed and getting something "extra" out of it, like doing a favor or giving a gift with strings attached. Looking at it from a different way, it's a way to build "credit" or "trust", which again a lot of people do in this world. If I were to dig deeper into the issue there is no way in hell some people can pay back the debt they rack up on their bills for their credit card spending sprees, but it happens. But I will end that topic right there. There is your view, which I agree with to a certain extent that having other countries invest in us and import things from us is in fact, good. To apply myself and my experiences as one human being in this world as an example, I am not afraid of debt. I may not like it, but the thing I usually keep in check is 1) I don't borrow what I can't pay off. and 2) I usually pay it off within a very reasonable if not stupidly fast rate, even if I had all the time in the world to pay it off. Why? I just don't like being in debt. I'm not afraid of it, I'll be in debt if it'll make ends meet, but I usually even out and even give myself a nice bonus when I'm done with debts. So no, my personal experience tells me and agrees with you that debts are not necessarily bad things. On a larger scale, say, if the government needed to pay back China and asked us, the citizens to pay off, then well... it's not just me or you, but other people who undoubtly will have their voices heard on why they won't and/or don't pay up or owe anything to China. And all that drama that comes along with it.

As for Cooper Lawrence... well, to sum things up... you, I, and everyone else in this world knows we gotta deal with retards and will find/have found people/things we('ll) disagree with. It's just a part of life.

[Nagase]

Will never happen. First of all barely anything would get past the Navy, second of all nothing would get past the air force and if they did US would just get the Britz to come aid them.

The American army first of all has huge number of troops so they could deploy them quite well around the country ( This isn't taking into consideration they enjoyment of friendly fire)

While England has smaller numbers but much better trained, combined they would easily be enough to hold off any country in the world.

Korea are one of the only countries I could say are a big threat. They have devlepoped weapons and tech quite far ahead of our own but sitll I don't think they would be enough.

Even then the US has quite a few anti nuke missiles and a fucking massive payload of ICBM.

If Peace Keeper missiles were still in use then things would probably get interesting but other than that, like someone said earlier, the only way America could get hurt was by nukes or chemical warfare.

[Inferno187]

A huge number of troops, yes.
But IN the US?
Now I don't know any official numbers so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't most of yer troops posted in the middle east atm?

[AT23]

A large number of troops from the U.S. are in the middle east, but there are still lots more within the country. And never underestimate the civilians, or how the government might possibly enforce a mandatory draft.

[SirBaron]

Hating America and Bush has become a cliché. And i don't think anyone would spend the gargantuan amounts of money required to invade America. It would be like invading a dumpster. (no offense)

[Nagase]

Hating America and Bush has become a cliché. And i don't think anyone would spend the gargantuan amounts of money required to invade America. It would be like invading a dumpster. (no offense)

Yes....what woulld be the point in invading one of the richest countries on the earth?......:rolleyes:

[AT23]

More like what would be the point of gaining a huge wasteland and millions of corpses?

[TEA TOWEL HOLDER]

More like what would be the point of gaining a huge wasteland and millions of corpses?
I doubt they'd start a nuclear war over land. :aldo:

[Misschoco]

The American army first of all has huge number of troops so they could deploy them quite well around the country ( This isn't taking into consideration they enjoyment of friendly fire)

While England has smaller numbers but much better trained, combined they would easily be enough to hold off any country in the world.


Consider the scenario if a majority or almost all of world leaders formed an alligience against The US (The uk excluded). The powers combined would send the US into obliteration.Even if the US could deploy large numbers of troops they would be overwhelmed by the oposition-Made sense?Seems like a cliche scenario to me though.

[bradley]

I personally don't think that anyones going to nuke us but if you want to know how corrupt people in our government and governments around the world are then watch the movie on this site http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ and your see whats really at stack. I will warn you its a pretty sad movie and you see a couple peoples last moments alive. If your religious don't watch the very first part of the movie because they decided to disprove God and every other religion out there. The second part is about 911 and it will prove that it was an inside job done by our own government and the third part tells you about what the government is planning for the future.

[Nagase]

Consider the scenario if a majority or almost all of world leaders formed an alligience against The US (The uk excluded). The powers combined would send the US into obliteration.Even if the US could deploy large numbers of troops they would be overwhelmed by the oposition-Made sense?Seems like a cliche scenario to me though.

I still think only then would they have even a chance :/. Like someone said earlier most civilians would take up arms as well.

I personally don't think that anyones going to nuke us but if you want to know how corrupt people in our government and governments around the world are then watch the movie on this site http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ and your see whats really at stack. I will warn you its a pretty sad movie and you see a couple peoples last moments alive. If your religious don't watch the very first part of the movie because they decided to disprove God and every other religion out there. The second part is about 911 and it will prove that it was an inside job done by our own government and the third part tells you about what the government is planning for the future.

I'll definetly watch that later, but I doubt Halfmetal and Kira will be joining me. Anyway, the think about 9/11, watch something called Loose Change, it defiently made me believe it was an inside job. I used to go on and on about it until i realised it just annoyed people haha XD <3:wub:

[bradley]

I'v heard of loose change but never seen it, I'll have to watch it and the Zeitgeist movie is about 1:36 so it is a full length movie so your going to need some free time if your going to watch it. I did the same thing telling everyone I knew about how 9/11 was a inside job and I also relized that they were getting annoyed by it.

[Cathryn]

I've seen Loose Change, very good. Made my perspective of the 9/11 change completely, yet i think everybody still had undiniable doubts it was an inside job.
I'll check out the Zeitgeist movie now. D;

[bradley]

Good Zeitgeist is a really good movie I saw it about a year ago and it blew my mind. Me and my family decided to buy a ton of the dvds and give them away to people who didn't believe us when we would tell them about what we found out. We've stopped doing that now because we didn't want to upset anyone.

[Cathryn]

Just started on Part III, brilliant so far. Some part's actually shocked me, but i think it was just the London Tube filming and Male voice within the Second tower which actually shocked me so far, the rest has been amazing to watch.

[bradley]

I was amazed when I first watched it too. The part that most interests me is Part III because its happening right now. The first part on religion is what turns me off about the movie because I don't really see the point of having it in their but I guess it could help people relized the truth of the matter.

[Brave27heart]

I just dont think it would be possible to invade the US. Forget the number of troops, forget the military might or who would come to the US's aid, the big problem for any invading army is the native population. Do you think the american people would tolerate being invaded? An invading army would be harrassed at every turn, they migh get a foothold in the country but the only way they could ever completely control the US would be to obliterate every american living there. It's the same reason why the US will never invade Korea, despite the growing nuclear threat, unlike Iraq the local population would be just as hostile as any armed force they had to face.

It was the same in WW2 when Germany looked set to invade Britain, they might have landed on our shores but they could never have conquered us.

The sad truth is if a country wanted to defeat the US they'd just nuke it.

[Inferno187]

How's that missile shield the US has been working on coming along neway?