Aerith

[Pulse]

I have made this thread so that people can discuss why the dislike Aerith or like Aerith as I have noticed this topic crops up alot in other threads. I think it would be an ideal opportunity for people to discuss their views on the character and why she was either a waste/asset to the game.

Josh

[Desi]

I loved using Aeris to level my materia. Most her later staves have growth times 2 or 3. Great since I am a grinder and she just helps get the hp plus' up to par.

[Strawberry Armour]

I'm forced to hate her I suppose, she was always one of my favourite characters and FFVII lacked a lot of good female characters.

I suppose it's the case of, I don't want a powerful and amazing character in my team - I want a character that I like and enjoy playing with. Tifa ain't got shit on Aeris yo~ Yuffie can gtfo.

[Pulse]

How did FFVII lack alot of good female characters when there were 3 strong female characters all playing their own significant part, at least they had a part in the story unlike some other FF's where they just stood around. Hopefull XIII will have more female characters than male, as I find it really hard to think of there being just 2 female characters.

Tifa was an astounding character, even though she lacked the realism slightly she seemed believable and was very well developed throughout the game, her attacks were cool and she was a very unique character.

Aerith was certainly very unique. Many people associate how they feel about FFVII with her death. Do you agree that if she had survived the game that it would have been good? I think she served her purpose throughout her duration of the game, unlike some characters who just wander around the game with you yet have no purpose. I think people assume she is a wasted character because her back story was unknown except for her ancestry of being a god or something, I havent played it in a while so I cant remember the name, plus am drunk writing this haha. Go student union, anyways, she served her purpose and that was good enough for me, plus, as I stated about people associating the games greatness with her death, I do that myself. I believe had she of survived the game would not be the icon it is today.

Aerith is truly a solid character and one that is not just wishy washy. Her approach is natural and calm and makes me feel comfortable when I use her in my party. I think it was genius to have her as the only person who is able to use cure, as it forces you to have her in your party, because square knew she was going to die and they wanted us to use her abilities to help level materia as much as possible. This approach was obviously followed by some Final Fantasy Fans, such as Desi and myself.

Josh x

[Ultima Star]

^I second that >P

>I loved Aerith actually her healing skills were something else, she was the best at magic ..bad thing when she died she had all my magic -_- but that's not to the case, for me the fact her past wasnt know all that much it's what makes her a deep character and unique like Pulse said.

Her personality was beautiful, she got a wonderful nature in my opinion her kindness and all is what made her the icon she is for her fans, and yes we suffered with her death it was sad actually but needed for t he game to continue, it would have been a whole lot different if she had lived maybe the game would have been something else but yet again she's not that dead she is still there between all the FF7 characters and they know it, at least the ones who can feel her spirit.

Her nature is what actually attaches her to them because if she didnt care she would do like all dead people uh..go rest and peace but nope she is there, which I find really amazing.

[Naunen]

I love Aerith so much I'm not letting her die. XD Level 97, first disk, Great Gospel, right before I go to the Temple too. I'm such an idiot. No progress in the game just because... but I have beaten the game many times over. Aerith was amazingly daring in the game because she was totally aware of the love triangle. I mean, how many gals dare to go after a man whom she knows she'll end up in the love triangle of? I'd say she was fierce in a way. Gotta love that.

[Tifa_xoxo_Lockhart]

I think Aerith needed to pick a man either Cloud or Zack okay I understand that Zack died but stepping into Clouds life when she KNEW Tifa wanted Cloud that just aint right I wouldnt want that done to me and now that Cloud fell in love with her, Tifa can never fully have Clouds heart how does Tifa know if hes thinking of her or of Aerith I just think Aerith left a big mess in Cloud's and Tifa's livesand it clould all of been avoided if Aerith just PICKED A FRICKIN MAN!

[Naunen]

I think Aerith needed to pick a man either Cloud or Zack okay I understand that Zack died but stepping into Clouds life when she KNEW Tifa wanted Cloud that just aint right I wouldnt want that done to me and now that Cloud fell in love with her, Tifa can never fully have Clouds heart how does Tifa know if hes thinking of her or of Aerith I just think Aerith left a big mess in Cloud's and Tifa's livesand it clould all of been avoided if Aerith just PICKED A FRICKIN MAN!

----It's not a mess. If nobody knew her, would the world have been saved? I'd say they were lucky to know her. Taking into account that Aerith was the last Ancient, their own butts were saved several times because of her. She always did have a lotta healing magick and people have known that in the movie she used Great Gospel to save the children and Cloud as well as bestow some kinda invincibility to him before he got shot by Yazoo. Every kid in that movie called her Big Sister. Even Tifa didn't mind because Aerith strengthened Cloud. In Final Fantasy VII, Tifa had always been interested in Cloud but I don't remember there being a total conscious effort of her trying to claim him. She could get jealous or mad because of how Cloud seemingly got "wiled." It's hard knowing what she thinks since she's not the character we controlled.

[Tifa_xoxo_Lockhart]

Yeah I agree. But I dont know.........personally I would like to hate Aerith but she did so much good when she was alive. Its hard to tell witch way I sway.

[Naunen]

Yeah I agree. But I dont know.........personally I would like to hate Aerith but she did so much good when she was alive. Its hard to tell witch way I sway.

----In conclusion, she was a great asset to the game. I like her.

[Allen Walker]

I dislike Ariez. Being a Tifa fan is not part of that though. I disn't like her personality one bit (the constant flirting with Cloud got annoying and she was selfish at times).

@Desi- You do know that every other character has a materia growing weapon?

[Sidderz]

I thought she was a genuinely compassionate character and someone I actually thought shouldn't have died. It was actually very sad and defined the game's tone very well.

I can't say I've ever hated her at all. Rinoa on the other hand..

[Ultima Star]

D= Rinoa what? Rinoa was a flirt..and wa obnoxious some times (have to admint I still like her..)...it was so obvious she wanted to....eh you know...I hope you're not comparing her with Aerith..Rinoa is a teenager and Aerith is not >P

Either way...Aerith...was a beautiful person..a really beautiful person from the inside...

[Sidderz]

Either way...Aerith...was a beautiful person..a really beautiful person from the inside...

Rinoa -- was not. ;P

[estella]

I dislike Ariez. Being a Tifa fan is not part of that though. I disn't like her personality one bit (the constant flirting with Cloud got annoying and she was selfish at times).

@Desi- You do know that every other character has a materia growing weapon?

Oh yesh, finally. I was waiting for you - how the h*ll dyou get suspended? :(

I second Kira's opinion. Although I've never played FFVII and cannot evaluate Aerith battle-wise, I don't think that "using the best magic" makes sense as a factor of personality. In other words, it doesnt make sense to approve of her just because she's useful in your party member, because Square could've just easily given that ability to Yuffie, or Tifa. (*Note that I dont like Tifa nor Yuffie)

My dislike towards Aerith peaked in Advent Children. Somehow it was due to her "godliness" that Kadaj gave up in the end, and when Cloud's scabs got healed by the rain that came after her prayers.

To me, and like I've said in the other subforum under "Worst FF IMO", I dont think conjuring the Holy charm was a big deal. Regarding it battle-wise, the characters in FFX could all achieve that ability. So what was Aerith's part? Nothing special.

She also annoyed me on Cloud's behalf, and her voice really paralyzed me cuz it creeps me out. (Sakamoto Maaya)

However I do like her sandals. :rolleyes:

[MaoraTezuka]

I dislike Ariez. Being a Tifa fan is not part of that though. I disn't like her personality one bit (the constant flirting with Cloud got annoying and she was selfish at times).

omg Aerith hater!! sup :lol:

well, to say at least i'm her hater too.... i admit this is the opposite thing between Karen-chan and me :lmao:
she like aerith.... and i hate aerith..... hmmmm, i can't say why... i dunno :| but i HATE aerith ;)

[Desi]

@Desi- You do know that every other character has a materia growing weapon?
Yes, but she gets materia growth times 3 well before anyone else. Only other person with a double growth during the early hours in the game was Red XIII (materia wasn't linked either).

[Ultima Star]

omg Aerith hater!! sup :lol:

well, to say at least i'm her hater too.... i admit this is the opposite thing between Karen-chan and me :lmao:
she like aerith.... and i hate aerith..... hmmmm, i can't say why... i dunno :| but i HATE aerith ;)


Hehe yeah you're opposite to me in that aspect :P
I love Aerith so for me case closed

[Naunen]

Hardly anyone's stating a reason to dislike Aerith.

[Pulse]

Hardly anyone's stating a reason to dislike Aerith.

I've also come to that conclusion. I find it highly annoying when I make a thread with a purpose and a solution to the problem that most of you are continuing in this thread.

From now on when you reply to this thread, say whether you dislike aerith or like aerith, then state a reason. If no reason is stated or you have nothing useful to say, I will mod out and delete your post.

Josh x

[Ultima Star]

:blink: ok Pulse-sama
I like Aerith because like I said I find her personality really sweet and I think she's a really nice person a beautiful person from the inside and that she has a wonderful nature too.

[Pulse]

Thankyou Ultima Star, i've read through some peoples comments about aerith on here, and I think its really weird how it is mainly girls that dislike her. I would have though that women and girls can relate to aerith. Square Enix, although they gave her a shy and calm exterior, made her an integral part of the final fantasy vii story, and gave her history and roots and made her a 'force'. I would have thought that women would generally empathise with that.

Thoughts anyone?

Josh x

[Ultima Star]

Oh no it's nothing Pulse-sama ^^; I'm just givinvg my opinion..just call me Ultima or Ulty lol hehe ^^;
Well I guess that some girls actually dislike her because of her personality which they found somehow flirtratious and obnoxious somehow guess it was cos of the she acted like in Gold Saucer's sequence and all, the fans are just split up and like Tifa or Yuffie better, some people find Yuffie better than Aerith like some people find Tifa better than Aerith too I guess it's cos the differences in their personalities even though I like Aerith better

[Naunen]

I think those girls don't like Aerith because she "flirts" with Cloud (who I'm sure those girls like) and that they can relate to Tifa more as a result. Aerith is a highly believable character to me because she's as Pulse said, shy. She really did seem like a person too because Cloud ran into her and then, coincidentally she's had problems with the Turks. I mean, she didn't meet the party in the past either. Thus, she's highly believable.

[Tifa_xoxo_Lockhart]

Thankyou Ultima Star, i've read through some peoples comments about aerith on here, and I think its really weird how it is mainly girls that dislike her. I would have though that women and girls can relate to aerith. Square Enix, although they gave her a shy and calm exterior, made her an integral part of the final fantasy vii story, and gave her history and roots and made her a 'force'. I would have thought that women would generally empathise with that.

Thoughts anyone?

Josh x

Personally I am trying to stand up for tifa because obviously she doesnt have a back bone to let cloud know she likes him or to tell Aerith to back off. I just find it frustraighting that Tifa knew him longer and there was no connection and then when Aerith came around BOOM! cloud absolutely loved her. If I was Aerith I would of acted the same way but I would of attempted to stay alive. This game should be a soap opera!

[Allen Walker]

Hardly anyone's stating a reason to dislike Aerith.

I guess my whole entire post was a waste :cloud:

[estella]

I guess my whole entire post was a waste :cloud:


DX mine too.

wasnt I being reasonable as well?

[MaoraTezuka]

Personally I am trying to stand up for tifa because obviously she doesnt have a back bone to let cloud know she likes him or to tell Aerith to back off. I just find it frustraighting that Tifa knew him longer and there was no connection and then when Aerith came around BOOM! cloud absolutely loved her. If I was Aerith I would of acted the same way but I would of attempted to stay alive. This game should be a soap opera!

yeah.... and when Aerith died.... I'm sad and happy at the same time ;)
hmm.... happy because she's finally out of life and sad because Cloud is sad that Aerith is gone! will he be that sad when Tifa die?? ............:|

when Cloud fell in love with her, what came accross my mind is Aerith was jumping around while singing "hey hey you you I want to be your girlfriend!!" >_<
and i want to shout "...she's so stupid what the hell are you pick her!?"

[Naunen]

I've also come to that conclusion. I find it highly annoying when I make a thread with a purpose and a solution to the problem that most of you are continuing in this thread.

From now on when you reply to this thread, say whether you dislike aerith or like aerith, then state a reason. If no reason is stated or you have nothing useful to say, I will mod out and delete your post.

Josh x

----You rock. I believe that the people who have played or at least watched the scenes in Final Fantasy VII would be able to know who Aerith was better than those who watched only the movie and knew her from there. They don't know what she was like when she was alive. ><

[Pulse]

Its quite obvious too I believe who has and who hasn't played the games in these posts.

Tifa_xoxo_Lockhart - I understand you're trying to stand up for Tifa, but this thread is about why people dislike or like aerith, and not an appreciation thread for tifa.

Josh x

[Cathryn]

I don't generally dislike Aerith. Hell Crisis Core actually brightened my light upon her, as for when i played her in FFVII, i just thought her of any other character, but i didn't really hate or like her, it was pretty neutral.
But only one part annoyes me about her is this strange inpatience, even despite her calm exterior Square have given her.
'Hoe noezz, nobady buying meh flowarz: D:
Well nobodys around, dumbass. :cunning:

[estella]

I believe that the people who have played or at least watched the scenes in Final Fantasy VII would be able to know who Aerith was better than those who watched only the movie and knew her from there. They don't know what she was like when she was alive. ><

That's not important. :rolleyes:

A favorable character should be admired from the audience in general. If I have to like her after I play FFVII, then iunno it's too fishy. By the way, FFVII wasnt much..it did look like Lego animated to me tho. :cookie:

[Allen Walker]

Aerith: I knew Cloud would come for me...

Cloud: Hey, I'm your bodyguard.

Aerith: The cost was one date right?

Selfishness^


Aerith: Cait Sith, can you tell us our fortune?

Cait Sith: Sure, I aint done it in a long time. What should I predict?

Aerith: Hmm.... How about how compatible me and Cloud are?

More selfishness^


At least I have reasons for disliking Ariez.

[Naunen]

That's not important. :rolleyes:

A favorable character should be admired from the audience in general. If I have to like her after I play FFVII, then iunno it's too fishy. By the way, FFVII wasnt much..it did look like Lego animated to me tho. :cookie:

----You don't really know her it seems. Not like I'm advertising the game either but it was golden when it came out. I doubt there'd ever be a remake.

[Desi]

DX mine too.

wasnt I being reasonable as well?No your post was shit. A game has gameplay and her stats affect the gameplay more then any word that falls out of her mouth. If her stats was shit I am lead to believe she would be nothing more then a placeholder and pretty apathetic to her as a whole. I liked her because she was useful unlike most other female love interests in JRPG's.


Kira: Really? Those phrases weren't selfish. The first one was a joke and not even selfish if took seriously. Second one was more of a Rinoa, I like this guy help me out bullshit.

Both not selfish since she didn't hold something from another. She did not stand up and shout "Cloud is my property, all you other bitches fuck off!"

[MaoraTezuka]

Selfishness^



More selfishness^


At least I have reasons for disliking Ariez.

true! rlly selfish..... *though i were her, maybe i would ask the same >_<*

[Naunen]

No your post was shit. A game has gameplay and her stats affect the gameplay more then any word that falls out of her mouth. If her stats was shit I am lead to believe she would be nothing more then a placeholder and pretty apathetic to her as a whole. I liked her because she was useful unlike most other female love interests in JRPG's.


Kira: Really? Those phrases weren't selfish. The first one was a joke and not even selfish if took seriously. Second one was more of a Rinoa, I like this guy help me out bullshit.

Both not selfish since she didn't hold something from another. She did not stand up and shout "Cloud is my property, all you other bitches fuck off!"

----I second that. After all, her magick did help out in the movie.

[estella]

No your post was shit. A game has gameplay and her stats affect the gameplay more then any word that falls out of her mouth. If her stats was shit I am lead to believe she would be nothing more then a placeholder and pretty apathetic to her as a whole. I liked her because she was useful unlike most other female love interests in JRPG's.


Dude, watch your mouth.
Her abilities in the game dont reflect her personality. Couldnt it have been Tifa or Yuffie who were useful in the game? What abilities are allocated to that character dont give a damn as to what kind of personality/speech the character enacts.

By this point I totally I agree with Kira and Maora. Plus CC&AC didnt have anything to do with her "magic" and so forth, still they collected more Aerith haters. As for the "magic" in the movie, it didnt make sense to me how she helped out.

[Allen Walker]

How does magick make a character better? Does that automatically mean her personality is better because she has the best magick? That doesnt make any sense.

[chuk bur]

generally her personality is in a moderate zone. of course she does nice things but she really isnt a good character. apparantly she wanted to get into it with tifa or something. personally i hated to use her because only in the beginning her healing powers are useful. but once you get towards her death, they start to suck. and her attacks are really weak. but other than her the game was pretty good.

[Desi]

Dude, watch your mouth.
Her abilities in the game dont reflect her personality. Couldnt it have been Tifa or Yuffie who were useful in the game? What abilities are allocated to that character dont give a damn as to what kind of personality/speech the character enacts.
I was going to say I am sorry for my wording but it isn't needed. IF Tifa had x3 materia growth weapons that early maybe I would use Tifa. Yuffie got used because of her Limit Breaks crushing damage ex. Doom of Living 30 hits. So I like Aeris because she is useful, Yuffie useful, Cloud can't replace him but useful still. Her personality has nothing to do with me being able to like her or hate her. Stats are all what the party came down to, not if some character has fucking sick pants or not and a glorious attitude.

[Allen Walker]

Ok, she has the best materia growth..... but what about her battle skills? She can't do jack.

[Desi]

Have her cast that level 3 materia she is trying to max out. That's what.

If Materia could level with the person not being in the group (like character levels) I would not even take up the space. But as is, you need someone to get your HP Plus' and Barrier materia maxed.

[Naunen]

Have her cast that level 3 materia she is trying to max out. That's what.

If Materia could level with the person not being in the group (like character levels) I would not even take up the space. But as is, you need someone to get your HP Plus' and Barrier materia maxed.

----Hey Desi, wouldn't you agree that Aerith used Great Gospel in the movie? Great demonstration of kickass magick that definitely boosted my opinion of her. The rain of Great Gospel healed the children and Cloud, put some kinda invincibility on him and I guess that's why he's still alive--after falling through the church roof again.

[estella]

I was going to say I am sorry for my wording but it isn't needed.

:ohmy:

Uhmz, my arguement with Desi is closed officially cuz I didnt play FFVII. At least I know you like Aerith battle-wise and not personality. I feel the same way towards Yuna from FFX. Her magick is powerful, useful, and her exp easily gained, yet I dislike her role in the game. (She does make pretty sigs) Anyways, I dislike Aerith for her personality.

[Desi]

----Hey Desi, wouldn't you agree that Aerith used Great Gospel in the movie? Great demonstration of kickass magick that definitely boosted my opinion of her. The rain of Great Gospel healed the children and Cloud, put some kinda invincibility on him and I guess that's why he's still alive--after falling through the church roof again.
Well I believe it was in the Ultimania. The raining and moment of her praying gave it away though. Also Limit Breaks are counted different then magick. Since magic in FFVII was not a trait born in humans/cetra but a material that they utilized.

[Naunen]

Well I believe it was in the Ultimania. The raining and moment of her praying gave it away though. Also Limit Breaks are counted different then magick. Since magic in FFVII was not a trait born in humans/cetra but a material that they utilized.

----Really? I've never looked in the Ultimania.

[Alice]

Wow, this topic is getting almost as dangerous as talking about religion or politics. :ohmy:

As for Aerith, I loved her character, her personality and her playful attitude. When I first finished FFVII, I decided that Aerith was my favorite female character of the game. I just loved the way that she came across, even through the awkward english translated dialog. :/ I felt sad for her character but at the same time respectful. I think that I actually liked her more because she was a bit mysterious(no background about her race). I don't think I have ever seen another female character in any FF that makes me feel as strongly as she does...except maybe Terra or Celes.

And I know this is off-topic but I also liked Tifa as well. I felt so damn sorry for her, that I just wanted a character in the game to scream out, "Just tell him how you feel already!!!" (I think at one point, I did myself...). :blink:

[chuk bur]

ya a bit off topic. but the thing i hated most about aeris is her weak attacks. you had to put materia on her to make her even a little bit stronger. i never really used her cause throughout the whole game, i knew she was going to die. so i never used her. i mostly jes tried to level up cloud, cid, vincent, red XIII, and barret. but at one point i did train with her but it wasnt much.

[Cerberus_girl]

I like Aerith ! She is great! But my favorite fermale in ff 7 is Tifa!!! ^^:D

[Thimien]

i liked Aerith, and the scene where she gets killed deserves an Oscar!
What a Shock, my lil sis cryed when that hpn hahaha

[Aimen]

AERISIS WUZ SHIT LLOLOLOLO :aldo:

Naww she was alright :cunning: Annoyed me sometimes with her shit attacks but yeah.

CRAP OPINION +1 :aldo:

[Sidderz]

She was crap tactically, but as a character I liked her. ^^;

[estella]

who bumped this worthless topic :aldo: about a worthless bitshe? :aldo:


loooooooooool

[highfive]

I like how her characters represented in here
http://files.filefront.com/Crisis+Core+Memories/;9504164;/fileinfo.html

[Sidderz]

who bumped this worthless topic :aldo: about a worthless bitshe? :aldo:


loooooooooool

:P Aeris-hater!

[Clone of Shadows]

well i cant say that she was my favirite character but i do know that without aerith it want be ffviii.

[Allen Walker]

who bumped this worthless topic :aldo: about a worthless bitshe? :aldo:


loooooooooool

I luv u :wub:

[Ultima Star]

who bumped this worthless topic :aldo: about a worthless bitshe? :aldo:


loooooooooool

O.o....Tifa fan...Aerith hater...I thought that the topic was to express why you like/dislke her...not to bash a character...

[estella]

O.o....Tifa fan...Aerith hater...I thought that the topic was to express why you like/dislke her...not to bash a character...

I already did that :cookie: check out the other pages, btw I mispelled bitch on purpose to indicate that i was kidding sry if I offended u

nah nah, not a Tifa fan either. lol

LOL@ Kira: I luv u too :aldo:

[Desi]

I like how her characters represented in here
http://files.filefront.com/Crisis+Core+Memories/;9504164;/fileinfo.html
I like how her character is represented in Moral Crysis. Never has such a work changed my view so dramaticly.

[TBG07]

Well I sure as hell DIDN'T cry when Sephiroth killed her. Sweet character? Perhaps.. but in my eyes she wasn't that interesting. Never really used her in my team set up either...unless it was forced upon me.

[Clone of Shadows]

Well I sure as hell DIDN'T cry when Sephiroth killed her. Sweet character? Perhaps.. but in my eyes she wasn't that interesting. Never really used her in my team set up either...unless it was forced upon me.

i did think she was that great a character either but ur telling me u didn,t even feel shocked when see was killed?

[steeld]

dude she deserved it! :P i mean when you first play as her you need to kill dogs and shinra soldiers... i mean dogs come one! they were once puppy's.....
ok she didnt deserve it... fine..:P

[TBG07]

i did think she was that great a character either but ur telling me u didn,t even feel shocked when see was killed?

No, I thought it was kinda cool. First time I saw a character die in a FMV sequence.

You see... I never had any emotional attachment to Aerith. If it would've been Barret or Red XIII I would've bummed out a little (say 60 seconds) before continuing the game.

Basically Sephiroth could have her if he wanted to (he apparently did..) ;)... but Barret or Red XIII.... then it would get PERSONAL :P

[Clone of Shadows]

No, I thought it was kinda cool. First time I saw a character die in a FMV sequence.

You see... I never had any emotional attachment to Aerith. If it would've been Barret or Red XIII I would've bummed out a little (say 60 seconds) before continuing the game.

Basically Sephiroth could have her if he wanted to ;)... but Barret or Red XIII.... then it would get PERSONAL :P

well it was sad when u see red xiii dad turned to stone, i dont see many people talking about barret much, oh well. i found barret funny cause he gets confused easy lol.

[TBG07]

Barret is stereotypical... that's what's funny for me.... he's like Mr. T from the A-team.

[estella]

I RLY RLY LIKE U TBG <3

Its time to sum up the aerith-haters. Get counting, now where's Kira? :aldo:

[Strifer]

I like her because she is so holy beautiful.

[Vanisher]

as a playable charcter , if she wouldnt die it would be a great charcter , her limits are great.


but i really didnt like her :P , y prefer tifa for cloud, and really liked cissnei for zack :P.

[estella]

but i really didnt like her :P , y prefer tifa for cloud, and really liked cissnei for zack :P.

I agree with the second part of your statement :aldo:

The short movie at the beach was really sad :(

[Élan]

I used to dislike her so much the first time I played the game! But that was only because Cloud seemed to like her better. I was big on the TifaxCloud thing, so...yeah. It's different now, because I can appreciate her character a lot more now. She's a wonderfully developed character and I love her to death now. I still think that Cloud would be better with Tifa though...

[Desi]

Because they both are soulless shells that look like supermodels?

More of you need to read Moral Crysis to get a handle on Aeris' unique and beautiful character. I for one would be happy to direct you to a place that you may download this wonderful art of love.

[Allen Walker]

I used to dislike her so much the first time I played the game! But that was only because Cloud seemed to like her better. I was big on the TifaxCloud thing, so...yeah. It's different now, because I can appreciate her character a lot more now. She's a wonderfully developed character and I love her to death now. I still think that Cloud would be better with Tifa though...

He is with Tifa....

[sasdx]

To be honest i never liked never ever did.

[AT23]

Rather tired of hearing this stupid rip-like thing called Moral Crysis, let's see/read it and find how lol it is.

[OmiVersusXIV]

man i can never accept the fact that cloud is in love with tifa, i think aerith is better with cloud even though shes dead.

[Cactus Girl]

I did not like Aerith. I think her hairstyle is...ridiculous. Sorry, Nomura. I love you, but...whoah.

That's pretty much the main reason. I'm extremely vain. So sue me.

[Naunen]

To be honest i never liked never ever did.

----Any elaborate reasons?

[AT23]

I'm gonna give a thorough opinion, p.o.v. and the reason why she is a successful character overall, and an opinion of why I think people hate her.

Opinion: Aerith is a very good character. I confess that I did not like her at first, when information was still coming out in japan before the game's release there. I didn't really like her artwork, it was rather boring, bland. To me, it didn't suit my tastes compare to Tifa at the time. So I bought the game, started a new game... Cloud and Barret, lalala, a little bit of Aerith with a 1G flower purchase (WHAT A BARGAIN!) so I can give it to Tifa... fail the 2nd mission, fall through a church roof, and let the story begin. Although I still did not like her character much, or it didn't stand out much, I did not hate her. She was like a friend that you saw on and off that you don't mind hanging out with. I liked to have her in my party as a healer, and yes I did use her to raise my materia levels. I noticed that my friends trying to get through the game at the same time had harder times with some bosses, but I didn't get stuck much. I'll give thanks to Aerith for that. Her cures and limit breaks were very useful. Fast forwarding through many rubbish but somewhat amusing dialogues, I grew to like Aerith a bit more. Things took an unexpected turn and it was a true surprise to me and all, and when I mean all, I mean ALL people who played Final Fantasy VII. Nobody knew that she would die. Yeah, ok maybe a rare few died in past games, but someone who would have thought that someone who seemed to get along with the protagonist and had some believe they would be lovers... to die? It wasn't even a developed idealized relationship, no kiss/sex, but clearly a special connection between them. To be severed from her connections, to realise her calling although it may seem unfair, but to accept them... is not selfish. She left a very strong impression on me. Rumors left and right were flying about cheats and sequels to how she could be revived, I remembered... yet I didn't believe them, I knew she was dead, but that is what made her more valuable and part of what made the game so good. Her appearance in the end of Advent Children made me like her more, to hear her gentle voice saying you're ok to Cloud... her beautiful green eyes, her warm, tender smile... her hair... it reconfirmed not only that graphics mattered but such beauty still exists in this world. Crisis Core only added that she looks good in blue dresses too lol XD. Before the Tifa fans bash me... don't get me wrong. I love Tifa too, she has her own beauty and charm too. If I were to choose though, and such thing could happen, I would want a girlfriend or even friend like Aerith. She is one of the most complex, intricately balanced between statistical game character growth, a character, a heroine, a friend to the party members and other in-game characters, and impressive existance to have been known to gamers and fans of Final Fantasy. I'm inclined to say that she is the true hero in the Final Fantasy VII universe, not Cloud.

P.O.V. (Point Of View): I've read over some of the other people's posts, and paid special attention to those people who either are Aerith haters or disliked Aerith. These were backed up by reasons of being a Tifa fan, believing Cloud should be with Tifa, just hating Aerith, and Aerith being a selfish person and any others I could have missed. So far I've interpretted those as random hate, random hate, random hate, random hate, preference, opinion, random hate, and... *drum rolls* Random Hate! z0mg! The only one that I could possibly have understood and seemed semi-logical was Aerith being selfish, which is a derived from the assumption/fact that Tifa has known Cloud "first" or "longer", and Aerith strolled along and "took" Cloud from Tifa. Some people will agree with this, others like myself don't. But I totally understand how someone can actually think this way, as I have gone through a stage of being... how should I say this... brash and young. As my philosophy goes, Life is Two-sided with exceptions. This is one of the foundations of p.o.v.s.

Aerith and her successful career: Whether you look at this in perspective of a character being relative to rl people or a bunch of people making a fictional story for a game, Aerith is one of the most successful characters of all times. Since I am becoming lazy in creating sentences and it's 1:18AM currently, let me try to explain why Aerith is a successful character in lists; this is due to the actual ***facts*** that exist in our world for her:
- She's useful character developement-wise in the battle statistics area: Limit breaks, earlier access to materia experience mods, etc.
- She's beautiful/cute, ask/show a picture of her to anyone that knows and doesn't know of her, she is physically attractive.
- She's appealed to many people, made people *cry* at a videogame and brought something to discuss amongst people who have played the game.
- She's a successful character because she's (the creators or teams of the Squaresoft company back then made her) someone that people can love or hate. Yes, make people in real life hate or like a fictional character from a videogame. If you don't think that's an accomplishment, ask all the lonely NPCs or even Lulu or Quistis from FFX and FFVIII respectively who have only managed to collect comments and even giving the benefit of the doubt, have significance only in having a relation with the protagonist or antagonist, have big boobs/physically pretty but have little to nothing to say, and get "if only/maybe they loved or whatever blah yada mew"s. They're only eye candies around for the flashy flashes.
- The fact that these topics and discussions even exist on this forum and 10 thousand other boards and forums, and other mediums between people that has been going on since the original release 10 years ago, and, most likely will be brought up for years to come.


My observations, analysis, and opinions on why people hate Aerith:

WARNING!!!!!!!! I WILL GIVE OPINIONS BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE POSTED HERE, AND QUITE POSSIBLY IN AN OFFENSIVE WAY. IF YOU ARE OFFENDED EASILY OR SENSITIVE, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND SKIP THIS SECTION. Thank you.

Anyways... god I'm tired... this is the part where I screw up on words and get mistaken/misunderstood due to fatigue... anyways (damn, I said anyways twice, no, 3 times including this one in parenthesis?), my reasonings behind my comments are heavily influenced by psychological observations and research/studies on human/social behavior. That said, I'll go over some comments made by people on this thread...

- For Tifa fans, Aerith haters, and Cloud-Tifa supporters:
I have yet to find a solid logic or sound foundation to support your opinions, the only exception being the people who said Aerith is selfish. So I will stereotype you as haters/dislikers. Don't like my general stereotyping? Then provide a good reason why you dislike Aerith, not a shallow one.

- For whoever that mentioned that most Aerith haters seem to be mostly girls:
Well... how should I say this. I've read somewhere here that since these haters are girls, they should be able to relate to Aerith instead of not saying so... This is true, but also false. I'm pretty sure they can relate on levels such as having long hair requires maintenance, or having the girl problems monthly, or having a broken heart from losing someone they loved. What we don't seem sometimes, or most commonly what most guys don't see is that each girl is ***different***. That said, like any human being girls can dislike other girls based on many reasons, including "I just don't like them". The one that I'm usually inclined to believe is the popular one where females tend to have thoughts/feelings where "whoever's there first/known longest/most supportive" should be with the main guy/the center stage guy. That isn't the case (sadly, and unfortunately) as many have experienced this particular feeling towards they found attracted to, and as much things as they have done/been there for them/known them for, these are stomped upon by something called unrequitted love. So to these people, it feels like Aerith is being a self-righteous hoe and intruding upon the relationship between Cloud and Tifa have, but really there is nothing more than friendship/being childhood friends. The ways of relationships and love are diverse, it is an open game to all and doesn't always give seniority to the quantity of whatever profound thoughts or memories someone has for another. So... tough cookies. The other one I find to be popular is that girls are actually competitive amongst each other, despite their "girl companionship" deali-o. I would go further into evolutionary psychology with this one but I've already wrote too much and I am tired. So let's put it this way. Girls, although it may seem ridiculous/silly at times will try to one-up each other. They will get offended/feel threatened if they find another girl who is better than them in one or more ways. Therefore they will simply dislike/hate them for that, and even go further to insult/harm these said "better" girls.

[AT23]

- For whoever said Aerith is selfish/flirtatious (not sure if that is a word, I apologize if it isn't but it's 2:00AM now.):
Ok, 1) For the selfish comment, you may think Aerith is selfish for "stealing" Cloud from Tifa, but really if people don't take risks and aren't courageous to even ask/tell the person they like their feelings, they weren't for them, it's their loss and many people seem to be afraid of this and something called rejection. It's a person's loss, and another's gain, that's how the world works. Luckily there isn't just one fish in the sea, but many for you to find the right one (z0mg cliche!).
2) Again, for the selfish comment... I don't possibly see how Aerith could be selfish when she sacrificed herself to save the world. TO SAVE THE WORLD. Yes, you read that right. If that is selfish to you then this world we live in wouldn't exist as people would be selfish and we'd already have slaughtered each other by now.
3) The flirtation... it's only a flirt, a harmless if not innocent one on Aerith's part. It hardly seems like she was trying to "hook up" with Cloud, with the additional intention of "stealing" him from Tifa, as people may perceive it (look at p.o.v. for reference). Although I can slightly sympathise with some girls, as there are many girls who do flirt for the sole purpose to get with a guy or take a man from another woman, despite a mutual engagement between the original couple. I guess this is what people call "being a hoe/whore". And I dunno, I suppose to some people Aerith might seem like a hoe/whore. But she is not. She does not put herself out sexually or in a very seductive way, if not more a childish/friendly way. Interestingly enough, one of my ex-girlfriend was like this (not to mention she is a bit like Aerith, not as beautiful as Aerith but pretty similar in looks/personality, and we are still very good friends). She would be nice to any guy really, and was often mistaken as her hitting on them. You could say she was flirtatious, but she is one of the kindest if not fairest and loyal person ever. I was at a party with her once, and some guy I kinda got along in one of my classes blurted that she was a hoe/whore just because she got along with all the guys... I punched him, and let's just say the party didn't last long afterwards but he never said anything like that again (at least not while I was around). But it's disturbing people can think such negative things when really that's just the person they are. I've known this girl for a very long time, and she is now with one of my best friends who I also have known for a very long time. They are happily married now and I am happy for them... but getting back to the point, not every girl who is flirtatious is a hoe/whore/slut. And I highly doubt Aerith is a flirtatious hoe/whore/slut.

- For whoever said something about her appearance:
I'm sorry, but bluntly put you probably for the most part are either jealous or shallow, or both. Maybe add a sidedish of ignorant too. I think someone mentioned that her character design illustrated and styled by Tetsuya Nomura (her hair, I dunno I'm too lazy to scroll down or look back, too frickin' tired.) was "ridiculous" or unrealistic. I hate to hold a mirror up to your ignorance, but 90% of Nomura's characters have ridiculous and unrealistic hair, including Squall who's hair is styled and set in such a stylized way it's not really feasible, or Cloud who is in the same game as Aerith nor the new prince of Versus XIII. I know many girls including a few friends would kill to get such fine curls in their hair. Some people think straight hair is better, or some hair styles are better, please tell me that after you've looked at some hideous hair styles done by celebrities/concepts/*coughAmyWinehousecough*/etc. Aerith's hairstyle looks better that most of the boring and bland, or even some crazy hair I see everyday. I find that such insults, put-downs, or bitterness comes from jealousy because the offender doesn't have what the victim of insults have. (Refer to my "Girls bashing Aerith theory" section). Simply put, these nasty people are intimidated or threatened about their own self because if their own insecurity, and have to make up for it with means of offensive and oppressing attacks. The shallowness comes in if you only look at the physical form, or the outer shell. You don't even bother to get to know the person or see for yourself who they really are and what they do, you just judge people on their appearance. For that, I pity you. And it's probably the reason why despite me getting buttloads of compliments from many girls and people in the styling business that my hair is nice/beautiful and how I should style it more often and condition and comb it, I don't. It's a little "fuck you" to people who think I should do something to their liking, I don't care about how I look and what people think of it, and it certainly helps me weed out between the shallow people and the few and rare nice people who go beyond the society-trend of stereotyping and accept people as they are, for who they are and embrace their good qualities.



'nuff said, I'm dead tired so g'night.

P.S. - Holy carp, I don't like double posting but I've actually exceeded the limitations for one post setting... wow... >.>;;;

[Naunen]

- For whoever said Aerith is selfish/flirtatious (not sure if that is a word, I apologize if it isn't but it's 2:00AM now.):
Ok, 1) For the selfish comment, you may think Aerith is selfish for "stealing" Cloud from Tifa, but really if people don't take risks and aren't courageous to even ask/tell the person they like their feelings, they weren't for them, it's their loss and many people seem to be afraid of this and something called rejection. It's a person's loss, and another's gain, that's how the world works. Luckily there isn't just one fish in the sea, but many for you to find the right one (z0mg cliche!).
2) Again, for the selfish comment... I don't possibly see how Aerith could be selfish when she sacrificed herself to save the world. TO SAVE THE WORLD. Yes, you read that right. If that is selfish to you then this world we live in wouldn't exist as people would be selfish and we'd already have slaughtered each other by now.
3) The flirtation... it's only a flirt, a harmless if not innocent one on Aerith's part. It hardly seems like she was trying to "hook up" with Cloud, with the additional intention of "stealing" him from Tifa, as people may perceive it (look at p.o.v. for reference). Although I can slightly sympathise with some girls, as there are many girls who do flirt for the sole purpose to get with a guy or take a man from another woman, despite a mutual engagement between the original couple. I guess this is what people call "being a hoe/whore". And I dunno, I suppose to some people Aerith might seem like a hoe/whore. But she is not. She does not put herself out sexually or in a very seductive way, if not more a childish/friendly way. Interestingly enough, one of my ex-girlfriend was like this (not to mention she is a bit like Aerith, not as beautiful as Aerith but pretty similar in looks/personality, and we are still very good friends). She would be nice to any guy really, and was often mistaken as her hitting on them. You could say she was flirtatious, but she is one of the kindest if not fairest and loyal person ever. I was at a party with her once, and some guy I kinda got along in one of my classes blurted that she was a hoe/whore just because she got along with all the guys... I punched him, and let's just say the party didn't last long afterwards but he never said anything like that again (at least not while I was around). But it's disturbing people can think such negative things when really that's just the person they are. I've known this girl for a very long time, and she is now with one of my best friends who I also have known for a very long time. They are happily married now and I am happy for them... but getting back to the point, not every girl who is flirtatious is a hoe/whore/slut. And I highly doubt Aerith is a flirtatious hoe/whore/slut.

- For whoever said something about her appearance:
I'm sorry, but bluntly put you probably for the most part are either jealous or shallow, or both. Maybe add a sidedish of ignorant too. I think someone mentioned that her character design illustrated and styled by Tetsuya Nomura (her hair, I dunno I'm too lazy to scroll down or look back, too frickin' tired.) was "ridiculous" or unrealistic. I hate to hold a mirror up to your ignorance, but 90% of Nomura's characters have ridiculous and unrealistic hair, including Squall who's hair is styled and set in such a stylized way it's not really feasible, or Cloud who is in the same game as Aerith nor the new prince of Versus XIII. I know many girls including a few friends would kill to get such fine curls in their hair. Some people think straight hair is better, or some hair styles are better, please tell me that after you've looked at some hideous hair styles done by celebrities/concepts/*coughAmyWinehousecough*/etc. Aerith's hairstyle looks better that most of the boring and bland, or even some crazy hair I see everyday. I find that such insults, put-downs, or bitterness comes from jealousy because the offender doesn't have what the victim of insults have. (Refer to my "Girls bashing Aerith theory" section). Simply put, these nasty people are intimidated or threatened about their own self because if their own insecurity, and have to make up for it with means of offensive and oppressing attacks. The shallowness comes in if you only look at the physical form, or the outer shell. You don't even bother to get to know the person or see for yourself who they really are and what they do, you just judge people on their appearance. For that, I pity you. And it's probably the reason why despite me getting buttloads of compliments from many girls and people in the styling business that my hair is nice/beautiful and how I should style it more often and condition and comb it, I don't. It's a little "fuck you" to people who think I should do something to their liking, I don't care about how I look and what people think of it, and it certainly helps me weed out between the shallow people and the few and rare nice people who go beyond the society-trend of stereotyping and accept people as they are, for who they are and embrace their good qualities.



'nuff said, I'm dead tired so g'night.

P.S. - Holy carp, I don't like double posting but I've actually exceeded the limitations for one post setting... wow... >.>;;;

----Oh shit. xD I can't do anything about this. At least that was quite a reason. Most girls hate Aerith for no comprehensible reason. >_> But the girls that I know who hate her LOVE Cloud. <_<

[Desi]

I did not like Aerith. I think her hairstyle is...ridiculous. Sorry, Nomura. I love you, but...whoah.

That's pretty much the main reason. I'm extremely vain. So sue me.Did a girl with a ponytail hurt you when you were younger?

Moral Crysis:
Just so you know, it is NOT WORK SAFE by a good 240%.

http://doujinshi.mugimugi.org/index.php?P=BOOK&ID=12733

No lie. No lie at all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Marsalis/MC06.jpg
Genius!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Marsalis/MC08.jpg
It is a wonderful idea.

[Naunen]

Did a girl with a ponytail hurt you when you were younger?

Moral Crysis:
Just so you know, it is NOT WORK SAFE by a good 240%.

http://doujinshi.mugimugi.org/index.php?P=BOOK&ID=12733

No lie. No lie at all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Marsalis/MC06.jpg
Genius!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Marsalis/MC08.jpg
It is a wonderful idea.

----Fuck, man. THAT ain't official so why let fandone things influence others' thoughts?

[Kitmitsu]

----Fuck, man. THAT ain't official so why let fandone things influence others' thoughts?

I'm pretty sure from the cover that it doesn't just "influence" people. :aldo:

[Naunen]

I'm pretty sure from the cover that it doesn't just "influence" people. :aldo:

----More like, it gives those female haters of Aerith reasons to dislike her all the more 'cause they originally thought she was like that in the first place ('cause of slums, flowers, Zack, and Cloud). :|

[Élan]

He is with Tifa....

I actually meant "together", as in a relationship or whatever. But I've heard somewhere that someone stated that they were....so, I don't know.




P.O.V. (Point Of View): I've read over some of the other people's posts, and paid special attention to those people who either are Aerith haters or disliked Aerith. These were backed up by reasons of being a Tifa fan, believing Cloud should be with Tifa, just hating Aerith, and Aerith being a selfish person and any others I could have missed. So far I've interpretted those as random hate, random hate, random hate, random hate, preference, opinion, random hate, and... *drum rolls* Random Hate! z0mg! The only one that I could possibly have understood and seemed semi-logical was Aerith being selfish, which is a derived from the assumption/fact that Tifa has known Cloud "first" or "longer", and Aerith strolled along and "took" Cloud from Tifa. Some people will agree with this, others like myself don't. But I totally understand how someone can actually think this way, as I have gone through a stage of being... how should I say this... brash and young. As my philosophy goes, Life is Two-sided with exceptions. This is one of the foundations of p.o.v.s.

Aerith and her successful career: Whether you look at this in perspective of a character being relative to rl people or a bunch of people making a fictional story for a game, Aerith is one of the most successful characters of all times. Since I am becoming lazy in creating sentences and it's 1:18AM currently, let me try to explain why Aerith is a successful character in lists; this is due to the actual ***facts*** that exist in our world for her:
- She's useful character developement-wise in the battle statistics area: Limit breaks, earlier access to materia experience mods, etc.
- She's beautiful/cute, ask/show a picture of her to anyone that knows and doesn't know of her, she is physically attractive.
- She's appealed to many people, made people *cry* at a videogame and brought something to discuss amongst people who have played the game.
- She's a successful character because she's (the creators or teams of the Squaresoft company back then made her) someone that people can love or hate. Yes, make people in real life hate or like a fictional character from a videogame. If you don't think that's an accomplishment, ask all the lonely NPCs or even Lulu or Quistis from FFX and FFVIII respectively who have only managed to collect comments and even giving the benefit of the doubt, have significance only in having a relation with the protagonist or antagonist, have big boobs/physically pretty but have little to nothing to say, and get "if only/maybe they loved or whatever blah yada mew"s. They're only eye candies around for the flashy flashes.
- The fact that these topics and discussions even exist on this forum and 10 thousand other boards and forums, and other mediums between people that has been going on since the original release 10 years ago, and, most likely will be brought up for years to come.


My observations, analysis, and opinions on why people hate Aerith:

WARNING!!!!!!!! I WILL GIVE OPINIONS BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE POSTED HERE, AND QUITE POSSIBLY IN AN OFFENSIVE WAY. IF YOU ARE OFFENDED EASILY OR SENSITIVE, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND SKIP THIS SECTION. Thank you.

Anyways... god I'm tired... this is the part where I screw up on words and get mistaken/misunderstood due to fatigue... anyways (damn, I said anyways twice, no, 3 times including this one in parenthesis?), my reasonings behind my comments are heavily influenced by psychological observations and research/studies on human/social behavior. That said, I'll go over some comments made by people on this thread...

- For Tifa fans, Aerith haters, and Cloud-Tifa supporters:
I have yet to find a solid logic or sound foundation to support your opinions, the only exception being the people who said Aerith is selfish. So I will stereotype you as haters/dislikers. Don't like my general stereotyping? Then provide a good reason why you dislike Aerith, not a shallow one.

- For whoever that mentioned that most Aerith haters seem to be mostly girls:
Well... how should I say this. I've read somewhere here that since these haters are girls, they should be able to relate to Aerith instead of not saying so... This is true, but also false. I'm pretty sure they can relate on levels such as having long hair requires maintenance, or having the girl problems monthly, or having a broken heart from losing someone they loved. What we don't seem sometimes, or most commonly what most guys don't see is that each girl is ***different***. That said, like any human being girls can dislike other girls based on many reasons, including "I just don't like them". The one that I'm usually inclined to believe is the popular one where females tend to have thoughts/feelings where "whoever's there first/known longest/most supportive" should be with the main guy/the center stage guy. That isn't the case (sadly, and unfortunately) as many have experienced this particular feeling towards they found attracted to, and as much things as they have done/been there for them/known them for, these are stomped upon by something called unrequitted love. So to these people, it feels like Aerith is being a self-righteous hoe and intruding upon the relationship between Cloud and Tifa have, but really there is nothing more than friendship/being childhood friends. The ways of relationships and love are diverse, it is an open game to all and doesn't always give seniority to the quantity of whatever profound thoughts or memories someone has for another. So... tough cookies. The other one I find to be popular is that girls are actually competitive amongst each other, despite their "girl companionship" deali-o. I would go further into evolutionary psychology with this one but I've already wrote too much and I am tired. So let's put it this way. Girls, although it may seem ridiculous/silly at times will try to one-up each other. They will get offended/feel threatened if they find another girl who is better than them in one or more ways. Therefore they will simply dislike/hate them for that, and even go further to insult/harm these said "better" girls.

I completely see your point and I agree with a lot that you're saying. I know this is simply your opinion and that you're not trying to purposefully offend someone, but I don't think that all girls dislike Aerith for these reasons. When I first played this game a few years ago, I did dislike Aerith. This was because I could relate to Tifa so much more, but I never "hated" Aerith. I was in a situation very much like this, and I couldn't help but get upset at how Cloud always seemed to lean towards Aerith. It's only natural for people to feel this way--you root for the happiness of the person that is most like you. It's vain, but I think everyone has felt this way at one point or another. When you see a character like yourself succeed against all odds, it gives you hope. I used to think that if Tifa could have her wishes come true, then mine could become a reality too. I was a naive little child back then, but I finally realized that it wasn't Aerith I was upset with. It was a painful discovery, but I realized it was myself. Excuse me if I'm getting too personal, but I realized that I couldn't keep grieving over Cloud's decisions or the decisions of certain people in my own life. I know it's hard for some people to understand these kind of feelings, either having never experienced them or simply being somewhat ignorant, but they are very powerful--this game is powerful. Having matured just a little bit more since first playing the games, I realize what a wonderful character Aerith is. I believe she is the true heroine of the story, too. She's made me cry countless times, but I think every character is a hero in their own personal way. While Aerith may have saved the world, everyone else had to go through the pain and hardship, although in very different ways. That's the way we all are. We all strive to become better people and achieve our goals and dreams. We strive to get through the obstacles in our path and actually become someone. That's the whole point of Final Fantasy.

I still have a soft spot for the underdog, so that is why I had previously said that I prefer Tifa with Cloud. But everyone has their own opinion, and even if they don't elaborate in their reasoning that doesn't mean that it's not a valid thought. We don't always say everything we feel; some of us don't even understand what we feel. My point is, we are only human. We feel what we feel and we think what we think. We are all very different people who are living very different lives, so our opinions are bound to be a little different.

Your ideas and opinions were very interesting to read, and it's wonderful how obstinate you are in your opinions. If it seems like I'm trying to counter your opinions, I'd just like to say that I'm not. It's just really nice to see someone so passionate about this issue and I felt like I had to submerge myself in it too! :D

[AT23]

----Oh shit. xD I can't do anything about this. At least that was quite a reason. Most girls hate Aerith for no comprehensible reason. >_> But the girls that I know who hate her LOVE Cloud. <_<

True, and this loosely goes under my explaination of jealousy. I was thinking about using another female celebrity, however for this example I will use someone who is of non-celebrity status approaching someone who is adored and has celebrity status.

So let's say at an anime convention, Gackt happens to be the guest of honor. So he performs, and after finishing wrapping up, walks out of the backstage only to be greeted by swarms of fan girls. Obviously all the girls there like him, and quite possibly want him. Let's say, in that moment a girl like Aerith comes along and walks up to him, and starts talking to him and whatnot and Gackt seems to be holding the coversation with her. I can garuntee that will garner thoughts from a lot of the fan girls there thinking: "OMG who the hell is this betch talking to **MY** Gackt!?!?! OH hell noes she just touched his arm! Oh noes Gackt don't smile at her, smile at me, I'm prettier and better than her!". and the other counterpart thoughts for this would be: "OMG who the hell is this betch talking to **MY** Gackt!?!??! OH hell noes she just touched his arm, what a hoe/whore/slut, trying to get with him and such! Grrr!".

Of course these girls will like Cloud, Gackt, Squall, etc, but hate whoever might have a remote possibility of getting together with them (Aerith, Ayumi Hamasaki, Rinoa, etc). As a matter of fact, to understand how this concept of evolutionary psychology theory, I suggest reading the book Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters by Alan S. Miller and Satoshi Kanazawa. I wouldn't say it's the absolute way the world we live in works, as I have doubts to some of it's reasonings but it is a good read for those that like some aspects of psychology and anthropology, and provides agreeable logic to some statements made in the book.

[Desi]

----More like, it gives those female haters of Aerith reasons to dislike her all the more 'cause they originally thought she was like that in the first place ('cause of slums, flowers, Zack, and Cloud). :|Please. Tifa owns a fucking bar, you see the last panel? Shit even if you play Crisis Core you get insight on how Tifa got her job.

Anyway, I would rather have someone that been around the block and knows how awesome bumblebee suits are to some hick child. Look at those shin-ra MP's crumble under her awesome powa!

[SirBaron]

I dislike Aerith because she is overly positive in really bleak situations. I don't really care about her being flirtatious (and yes she is) since it is obvious that Cloud is too busy moaning and whining over Zack's death. In contrast, i dislike Tifa because that she has a rack that makes the Colossi of Shadow of the Colossus look small, and because she was busy moaning about Cloud moaning about Zack mostly throughout the game.

From a pure game perspective, i hate Aerith because she lacks power without good materia, because her final limit break is a b*tch to get and because she FRICKIN DIES at the end of disc 1 (RIP tho). I also hate Tifa because she plain sucks. Her ultimate weapon is horrible and ALL of her limit breaks in a row can't even cause as much damage as Cloud's final limit break (i can admit tho that he's on steroids, but we're not talking about Cloud anyway, so...)

EDIT: I just wanted to clarify that i am not flaming the characters mentioned or the game itself, but rather these specific traits they have. Even so, i would not have wanted the game to be without these traits - even Cloud's annoying moaning - as it made it all very believable. Just so you know.



Btw... that Doujinshi crap linked above... nasty. :blink:

[Desi]

You nasty! Aeris limit just needs the last two digits of battles fought to be the same then open some chest. Not like level 14 monsters pose any threat.

[SirBaron]

You nasty! Aeris limit just needs the last two digits of battles fought to be the same then open some chest. Not like level 14 monsters pose any threat.

That was pure laziness on my part. I never buff anything that is programmed to die.

[Naunen]

That was pure laziness on my part. I never buff anything that is programmed to die.

----Yeah? I love Aerith so much I leveled her to be level 97 with Great Gospel 'cause it's the most awesome limit break that actually heals. Then I love Cloud in the same team at level 97 with Omnislash. First disk of course. Anyway.... Aerith's also a totally believable character that's rather rare. If there's someone like her in this gang-riddled neighbourhood, she'd rock.

[Eidolon Sniper]

I really loved Aerith ever since I played the game, around 5 times or 7 times I think, LOL, and I still never tire from playing it. And it seems that Squeenix can't get enough of her either as to actually have her in spinoff games along with Cloud, such as FF Tactics and Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2.

Anyway enough of the "aesthetic" or whatever reasons. I also loved Aerith because she was a really fleshed out character - she wasn't just some polygon character on the screen. At first I admit I was a little surprised at how straightforward she was with Cloud, and how Tifa was an exact opposite (lol I was really young when I played the game for the first time, so sue me for generalizing). But as the story progressed and I continuously devoted my time to replaying FF VII for the umpteenth time, the more I came to understand her character and Tifa's.

I feel for Tifa, because when I first knew her the first time I played FF VII, I wanted Cloud to end up with Aerith because I didn't want him to end up with someone with huge chestworks. :lol: but of course, the silliness of youth and inexperience or whatever aside, I just realized how really painful it was for Tifa not being able to do anything for Cloud when she really wanted to help. It was her character flaw - her insecurities, her hesitation - that only made Cloud "worse" and even more withdrawn from her. I just played Crisis Core and finished it (lol just a run through anyway) and added more to what I knew of Tifa - yes, she WAS worried for Cloud and was really hoping he would become SOLDIER. In FF VII, she was indeed worried for Cloud and offered to look after him, even if she knew this was not the Cloud she knew, and it only took the Lifestream event for her to actually have a hand in trying to save Cloud from destroying himself. But even as it finished, as I thought that meant he was now going to end up with Tifa, Cloud still remained resolute about meeting Aerith, and his last words to Tifa were exactly that - he would meet her in the Promised Land. >_< I mean, whoa, if I were Tifa I would be extremely crushed by what he just told me. And this was also pretty evident in Advent Children - Tifa was very frustrated that she knew she wasn't enough for Cloud, to heal Cloud's wounds and guilt. Even after 2 years Cloud was still very guilty about Aerith's death and he wanted so much to be forgiven and he still hoped somehow his suffering would be his payment for letting Aerith die. In Advent Children, it was still Aerith who prodded Cloud to go on and try to forgive himself, and she was the one who assured Cloud that everything would be fine now before walking off into the light with Zack. Cloud smiles at last and realizes that he's finally home with Tifa and the children. But the ending credits...what was that for lol....:lol:

Aerith, where to begin. I didn't like her because she was wearing a pink dress and pink ribbon and looked really beautiful and very kind. They were only "accessories" to the reason why I loved Aerith for being Aerith. Her straightforward personality when it came to dealing with Cloud was one. She may come off as a flirt, but as one poster already said, it doesn't mean that when a girl flirts she's a slut or a whore. She used her straightforward manner in order to coax the true Cloud out of his predetermined self - from the Cloud, SOLDIER 1st Class, to Cloud Strife, from Nibelheim. Also, she was well aware that Tifa and Cloud had something going on between them - she didn't even openly flirt to tell Tifa that she wants Cloud for herself, she even keeps teasing the 2 of them together. And she was the first person who actually WANTED to know the real Cloud, being intuitive enough to know that what Cloud was using at that time was a mask, a facade. Tifa had enough reason and enough opportunities to do the same for Cloud, but Aerith got to it first, unfortunately. :lol: Tifa knew that it wasn't the Cloud she remembered from Nibelheim, that she wanted to do something for him, but she wasn't able to because her feelings and thoughts that Cloud might get hurt if she did so kept getting in the way. Aerith also believed a lot in Cloud to simply do those things for him straightaway, and knew that Cloud was a strong person in spite of the fact that he deemed himself very weak and a loser because he didn't make it to SOLDIER and becoming 1st Class. And Aerith selfish? Where did that come from? :blink: Aerith would simply just grab Cloud from Tifa's clutches and that would be the end of the love triangle. I mean, really. She gave up her life so that the Planet can be saved from Meteor, and she gave up her life so that Cloud could continue to search for himself, and not be bothered by thinking about Sephiroth. She knew that it was very hard for him, and she knew that he couldn't be bothered by one more problem - he might lose the will to find out who he really is altogether. But she didn't think how much Cloud would be hurt by what she did, and she was really sorry for hurting him with her death (read The Maiden Who Traveled the Planet (http://www.ffrebirth.com/ff7ac/ff7ac-maiden-who-travelled-the-planet.php)). Also Aerith useless? If Aerith had lived, do you think the Weapons would still stand a chance against Cloud and the entire FF VII party? I mostly use her for casting magic spells and upgrading my Materia growth exponentially, but yes she sucks with her fighting skills. But we have the Long Range Attack Materia for that one. And her Limits are really useful as well, especially her Healing Wind, her Limit which instantly fill up the other party members' Limit Break gauges, and of course the almighty Great Gospel.

And that's it for now. I'm just really glad that there are lots of Aerith lovers here, lol. XD

[Élan]

I really loved Aerith ever since I played the game, around 5 times or 7 times I think, LOL, and I still never tire from playing it. And it seems that Squeenix can't get enough of her either as to actually have her in spinoff games along with Cloud, such as FF Tactics and Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2.

Anyway enough of the "aesthetic" or whatever reasons. I also loved Aerith because she was a really fleshed out character - she wasn't just some polygon character on the screen. At first I admit I was a little surprised at how straightforward she was with Cloud, and how Tifa was an exact opposite (lol I was really young when I played the game for the first time, so sue me for generalizing). But as the story progressed and I continuously devoted my time to replaying FF VII for the umpteenth time, the more I came to understand her character and Tifa's.

I feel for Tifa, because when I first knew her the first time I played FF VII, I wanted Cloud to end up with Aerith because I didn't want him to end up with someone with huge chestworks. :lol: but of course, the silliness of youth and inexperience or whatever aside, I just realized how really painful it was for Tifa not being able to do anything for Cloud when she really wanted to help. It was her character flaw - her insecurities, her hesitation - that only made Cloud "worse" and even more withdrawn from her. I just played Crisis Core and finished it (lol just a run through anyway) and added more to what I knew of Tifa - yes, she WAS worried for Cloud and was really hoping he would become SOLDIER. In FF VII, she was indeed worried for Cloud and offered to look after him, even if she knew this was not the Cloud she knew, and it only took the Lifestream event for her to actually have a hand in trying to save Cloud from destroying himself. But even as it finished, as I thought that meant he was now going to end up with Tifa, Cloud still remained resolute about meeting Aerith, and his last words to Tifa were exactly that - he would meet her in the Promised Land. >_< I mean, whoa, if I were Tifa I would be extremely crushed by what he just told me. And this was also pretty evident in Advent Children - Tifa was very frustrated that she knew she wasn't enough for Cloud, to heal Cloud's wounds and guilt. Even after 2 years Cloud was still very guilty about Aerith's death and he wanted so much to be forgiven and he still hoped somehow his suffering would be his payment for letting Aerith die. In Advent Children, it was still Aerith who prodded Cloud to go on and try to forgive himself, and she was the one who assured Cloud that everything would be fine now before walking off into the light with Zack. Cloud smiles at last and realizes that he's finally home with Tifa and the children. But the ending credits...what was that for lol....:lol:

Aerith, where to begin. I didn't like her because she was wearing a pink dress and pink ribbon and looked really beautiful and very kind. They were only "accessories" to the reason why I loved Aerith for being Aerith. Her straightforward personality when it came to dealing with Cloud was one. She may come off as a flirt, but as one poster already said, it doesn't mean that when a girl flirts she's a slut or a whore. She used her straightforward manner in order to coax the true Cloud out of his predetermined self - from the Cloud, SOLDIER 1st Class, to Cloud Strife, from Nibelheim. Also, she was well aware that Tifa and Cloud had something going on between them - she didn't even openly flirt to tell Tifa that she wants Cloud for herself, she even keeps teasing the 2 of them together. And she was the first person who actually WANTED to know the real Cloud, being intuitive enough to know that what Cloud was using at that time was a mask, a facade. Tifa had enough reason and enough opportunities to do the same for Cloud, but Aerith got to it first, unfortunately. :lol: Tifa knew that it wasn't the Cloud she remembered from Nibelheim, that she wanted to do something for him, but she wasn't able to because her feelings and thoughts that Cloud might get hurt if she did so kept getting in the way. Aerith also believed a lot in Cloud to simply do those things for him straightaway, and knew that Cloud was a strong person in spite of the fact that he deemed himself very weak and a loser because he didn't make it to SOLDIER and becoming 1st Class. And Aerith selfish? Where did that come from? :blink: Aerith would simply just grab Cloud from Tifa's clutches and that would be the end of the love triangle. I mean, really. She gave up her life so that the Planet can be saved from Meteor, and she gave up her life so that Cloud could continue to search for himself, and not be bothered by thinking about Sephiroth. She knew that it was very hard for him, and she knew that he couldn't be bothered by one more problem - he might lose the will to find out who he really is altogether. But she didn't think how much Cloud would be hurt by what she did, and she was really sorry for hurting him with her death (read The Maiden Who Traveled the Planet (http://www.ffrebirth.com/ff7ac/ff7ac-maiden-who-travelled-the-planet.php)). Also Aerith useless? If Aerith had lived, do you think the Weapons would still stand a chance against Cloud and the entire FF VII party? I mostly use her for casting magic spells and upgrading my Materia growth exponentially, but yes she sucks with her fighting skills. But we have the Long Range Attack Materia for that one. And her Limits are really useful as well, especially her Healing Wind, her Limit which instantly fill up the other party members' Limit Break gauges, and of course the almighty Great Gospel.

And that's it for now. I'm just really glad that there are lots of Aerith lovers here, lol. XD

What a wonderful response. I love your insight, too! I clicked on the link, and the story was amazing. I never really thought about what happened to Aerith after her death...

[Strifer]

I really like Aeris. This is one one my favourite characters. Do you want to know why? She is really beautiful girl. Looks like a kindhearted person. Really there are nothing that I dislike about Aeris. She is 10/10 no other than that.

[Eidolon Sniper]

^^^ Sadly, it is that same trait that gets Aerith haters hate her...>.<;; well, some anyway...

[Strifer]

........why.......This is bullshit.

[Eidolon Sniper]

Try telling them that. >.<;; um, maybe they think she's a Mary Sue?

[Strifer]

..........I don't know what to say.

[Eidolon Sniper]

Well to each his or her own I guess. >.>;; unfair, but that's just the way it is sometimes.

[Strifer]

Yes, maybe so....

[ZidaneFC]

I wonder if the triple post was really necessary....but anyway. I don't like Aerith, in fact, I pretty much down right hate her. The sad part is I just don't have a clear cut reason why. When I first saw her walk onto the scene in the game, I instantly disliked her. Nothing she did during the game made me like her and when Sephiroth fell from the sky during that awesome scene I was actually happy to see her go. I think, for me, that she's just one of those people that you don't get along with for some reason. You meet someone that everyone says is cool and when you meet them yourself it's like, "Yeah...I don't like this person at all." That's the best way I can describe it.

[Kitmitsu]

I wonder if the triple post was really necessary....but anyway.

Just thought I'd point out that the there were posts inbetween Eidolon's but they've been hidden.

[ZidaneFC]

Is there any particular reason why? I remember reading somewhere else, photo thread I think, where someone has invisible posts or something.

[Cathryn]

Strifer is in conventry.
Because he's an asshole basically.

[Jive Turkey]

So are you Cat but you arent in coventry
kidding kidding

Please dont hurt me!!

[Cathryn]

Your such a wanker. <3 :aldo:

[Jive Turkey]

EDIT: Okay I feel bad now ; ;

[Naunen]

Shut up and get back on topic. ><

[Jive Turkey]

Sheesh sorry :\

FYI You dont have to tell everyone to shut up

[Strifer]

Now I like her also because of the Limit Breaks

[Hextan]

*Back on Topic* Aerith was OK I think I mean I liked using her for certain reasons and I do think that she was a great character. I don't know I don't think she was like "ZOMG teh koolest wun evah" But that doesn't mean I think any less of her. When she died I was sad though, and strange in a way her sacrifice made me like her a lot more. I did tear up a little at the end of Crisis Core though, if more for Zach and her.


I like how her characters represented in here
http://files.filefront.com/Crisis+Core+Memories/;9504164;/fileinfo.html

I love you for posting this video the song was amazing and it made me look for the artist and now I have their music and it is utterly amazing. So I just thought I should say thanks. :P

[Eidolon Sniper]

LOL it would be funny if she showed up in Dissidia....XD whoever gets to use her as some sort of Marvel VS CAPCOM partner is going to be invincible, lol. XD

Anyway back on topic. I haven't actually played KH *ToT* but for some strange reason, I kinda like her with Leon, even if it's a totally crack pairing lol. XD Also in Crisis Core, how old was she then? *.*;; Crisis Core is 7 years before the events of FF VII, so that makes her 15, right? too bad her personality as Zack's GF wasn't fully explored except for cutscenes showing them talking to each other via cellular phone....ToT

[chocoboxxjp]

When I was playing FFVII some 9 or 10 years ago I did kind of dislike Aeris, I never actually hated her though, I cried during the scene she died. Having just played Crisis Core, I definitely appreciate her character a great deal more than before.
I disliked her mainly because she flirted openly with Cloudy despite knowing of Tifa's feelings towards Cloud, I thought it was insensitive and somewhat selfish. Like the time she asked Cait Sith how compatible she and Cloud were, right in front of Tifa. Being a girl, I definitely wouldn't like to have that happen to me. Nor would I ever do it to any of my friends.
I also remember she said something along the lines of "...we should stop him (Barret) before he does something stupid"... not that I'm a big fan of Barret and his actions but that sounds a little patronising to me.

[ashleystoletheworld]

i used to despise aeris with every fiber in my being..but that was because I liked tifa before her, and therefore got jealous when aeris tried making moves on my fave character's man(i know their never really together but you get my point) but now that i've seen her in crisis core, she seems genuinely nice, but at times she seems obnoxious to me,which is really really annoying. Overall though she seems pretty nice, and she's really pretty and stuff so yeah she's a good character...not counting her battle skills..:P

[balthierxashe]

lol people are so touchy

From my experience with 22 year olds (which is sizable), she certainly wasn't up to par mature wise. She acted like a giddy little girl some of the time, although I did see some maturity. I hated her for awhile, but I got over that. Sometimes I like her and sometimes I don't. I don't like how she just hopped on into everyone's life and set her eyes on Cloud, who reminded her of an old love, even though she was aware of Tifa's feelings. I know that people think Tifa had no back bone, but I just saw it as a sweet trait...she liked Aerith well enough, and the two became friends, and she was a good person. She didn't want to all out fight over Cloud. To me, it just showed how nice Tifa was/is, and showed a bit of selfishness and immaturity on Aerith's part.

I don't know why anyone should feel too bad for Tifa. I don't believe Cloud was in love with Aerith, nor am I too convinced he's completely in love with Tifa, although I find that more believable. It's proved in the game that Cloud was living his life thinking he was Zack, and his attraction to Aerith, if there was any (although never any actual proof of that) came from that. I believe that Cloud and Aerith had a special bond like some people have with certain friends, that's all. It's not like he's the only one who mourned her death, they all did. If you had Tifa in your party, you can see how much Aerith meant to her as well. I believe that this perceived disliking of Aerith on Tifa's part comes from the fans own feelings instead of the actual game.

At any rate, my attentions are very scattered right now, so I'll end that there lol

[InquietusSomnus]

Aeris is alright. She is cute in Crisis Core and a mother to the Silver-Haired Trio and orphans. But, I hate how people put down other female characters who are awesome too! They go on about how HORRIBLE her death was and stuff. Yes, her death was a suprise, but, she's in the Lifestream! She is still protecting the people she cares about along with Zack. However, I think in FFVII she is ANNOYING and sorta wishy-washy. But, she is sweet nonetheless. But, it would be reeeaaally nice if she would stop the frickin' flirting!

[Giuggiosa]

The first time I saw the game, I don't like her too much. She's beautiful, probably one of the most beautiful girl on FF world (with Lulu) but I don't like the way she acts with Cloud !

It was not a matter of "oh well, I like to see him with Tifa, Aerith dyeee !", maybe just the fact she wants a date with him every second, and like someone wrote she understand Tifa's feeling, but she doesn't care.

But then I played Crisis Core and I change my point of view: she's a very beautiful chara, with a great background and personality, she always has a smile upon her face ! And I like to see her with Zach (I love him !!), she seems more happy !

[dxgirly]

FFVII is my least favorite because of Aerith. She was supposed to be a beloved character and her death was supposed to be very emotional, but I found myself just saying thank God when they finally killed her off. And it's hard to really like a game when I have such a strong dislike for a central character that they play up like you're supposed to like her.

I think she was just too "good" for my tastes. She had such a flat personality, all sweet and annoying. I liked Tifa better from the moment they introduced the character, and I could never understand Cloud's love for Aerith and it just frustrated the crap out of me.

[Exodus]

I care shit about her personality and story impact. Her Fury Brand, or whatever that limit was called that rose everyone's limit bar was called, was fucking epic and enough to make me like her. Helped speed the gain of other limits for everyone by a lot.

[Songstress Lenne]

Aerith is my favorite female character in FFVII because I really liked her personality. She was so caring and kind, something I relate to quite a bit. Every time I take FFVII character quizzes I always get Aerith lol, even on the FF character quiz too XD. Newayz, I think she was an important asset to the game and, I will be honest, I literally hated Sephiroth for a good while after he killed her. I cried too when I saw it in the game, though I knew it was coming (I'm very emotional XP). As wierd as it is to say it, I think had she NOT died, the game never would've gone the way it did. Even after death she still continues to guide them, mostly Cloud, and the children still know she's there. So ya, Aerith is my favorite female character but hey, I like Tifa too, and Yuffie.

+ Angel-Winged Demon +

[dxgirly]

So having actually finished watching Advent Children for the first time, I have to retract all my hate. The movie had me crying at all her parts. Maybe I was young and naive when I was playing the game, but I definitely have a different outlook on her now. She's a beautiful character, and has made FF7 go up much higher in my list now that I've watched AC.

I should have sooner. I was very ignorant to have formed an opinion without getting the whole story. :ohmy:

[ZenTzen]

I like her and I think that Cloud and Aerith should be together.
they really love one another.

[Allen Walker]

I like her and I think that Cloud and Aerith should be together.
they really love one another.

o rly? :rolleyes:

[N O C T E]

o rly? :rolleyes:

RLY. :awesome:

[Allen Walker]

RLY. :awesome:

ic wut u did thar

[Naunen]

Get back on topic. Other posters would only follow suit.

[SquallEX]

Poor Tifa~~~

[Naunen]

Poor Tifa~~~

----If you wanna talk about Tifa, go make a thread about her. :rolleyes: