Suicide and Euthanasia

[Halfmetal]

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What are your views on this matter?

[Interficio Nocte]

I personally think that if you commit suicide you are pathetic. If you cannot overcome the problems that come your way or the ones that you made yourself and commit suicide...It makes me sick thinking of how weak those people are.

I think that as long as you have the persons consent, Euthanasia is fine. But only if you are on life support or like a living vegatable, if you can overcome your illness, live.

[Allen Walker]

If you commit suicide, you must have phailed very miserably in life. In other words, its stupid.

Whats Euthanasia?

[Ringlets]

Where you kill someone because they are in, for example, a catatonic state and the majority believes that it would be better to kill them than to let them suffer anymore.

[Halfmetal]

I know this is supposed to be serious and all but...
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3218/suicidesl0.gif
...i just couldn't resist.

[Rev-SQ]

Suicide should be made legal. Who are we to say if someone should die, or if their problems weren't dying for? It's their choice. As for euthanasia, I don't really have an opinion. If someone is in obvious pain and you have their consent, do it. Otherwise, don't.

[The Whaler]

I remember I had to do a debate on euthanasia.
It was a choice of whether you were for it or against it, I actually did have a choice personally, so I ended up being against
Kind of a difficult thing to be against I think, or for
I have mixed feelings on it myself

[BlueOni]

People who commit suicide are selfish and/or weak. Don't give me any babble about "emotions", "insurmountable difficulties" or any other such excuses, the strong can overcome any personal problems, or die fighting them. Either of these is preferable to the easy (and selfish) way out.

[The Whaler]

I agree
People are surprised that I haven't killed myself do to a really harsh life
Me staying in this world and dealing with life itself is what life is, not taking the easy way out
Hell I've only THOUGHT about killing myself, and that was ONE time and for like freakin 30 seconds

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Experts say 50 percent of Americans attempt suicide before age 20 :blink:

[The Whaler]

Damn that's sad
I haven't attempted it, just thought about it
I think I like living to much to kill myself
:P

[Halfmetal]

Suicide should be made legal. Who are we to say if someone should die, or if their problems weren't dying for? It's their choice. As for euthanasia, I don't really have an opinion. If someone is in obvious pain and you have their consent, do it. Otherwise, don't.

But what if they've made a mistake? What if life is worth living for? They can't exactly just come back, can they.

[Slim__Cognito]

Suicide should be made legal. Who are we to say if someone should die, or if their problems weren't dying for? It's their choice. As for euthanasia, I don't really have an opinion. If someone is in obvious pain and you have their consent, do it. Otherwise, don't.


suicide is legal, if your dead no one can take you to jail for it :cookie:

[Rev-SQ]

But what if they've made a mistake? What if life is worth living for? They can't exactly just come back, can they.
I said with their consent. If they say it's okay, then the probably don't think they're gonna get better.

@slim: I suppose but it still involves the police.
@Fearless: Experts also say that 20% of americans can't find america on a world map.

[Halfmetal]

I said with their consent. If they say it's okay, then the probably don't think they're gonna get better.

The key word there was probably. NEVER take such a horrible action based on probability. Atleast that's what I think.


@Fearless: Experts also say that 20% of americans can't find america on a world map.

:)

[deceptacon]

@Fearless: Experts also say that 20% of americans can't find america on a world map.

i hope that's not true :[

[The Whaler]

hahaha it probably is
Without the help if the lines that they show to separate the continents that'd be so true :/
xD

[Nagase]

I personally think that if you commit suicide you are pathetic. If you cannot overcome the problems that come your way or the ones that you made yourself and commit suicide...It makes me sick thinking of how weak those people are.If your entire family died, and you had nothing left, I'm not sure you'd be saying the same thing.(Just an example)

If you commit suicide, you must have phailed very miserably in life. In other words, its stupid.A very Kira comment

Whats Euthanasia?A very very Kira like comment :rolleyes:

[Dream Machine]

Not much compassion in this thread is there? Everyone has moments of despair and many people have committed or contemplated suicide. It doesnt make them weak people. What is it with this crappy generation? We look down on people far too easily and instead of offering a helping hand we push them back into the dirt.

The suicide rate worldwide is climbing, maybe we should be trying to sort out the problems that cause people to do this, like bullying and abuse and such, rather then going OMG YOU PHAIL LOL.

Also assisted suicide for terminally ill patients who can proove they are sane and making the decision independantly should be made legal.

[Halfmetal]

Hey, I'm compassionate! I wouldn't do anything cruel like that to a suicidal person. I'd feel sorry for them and try to help them. Plus I don't think they would respond like that just to be cruel. I think they're trying to go for a sort of tough love approach. Still, I wouldn't have the heart for it though.

[penguin_luv]

The suicide rate worldwide is climbing, maybe we should be trying to sort out the problems that cause people to do this, like bullying and abuse and such, rather then going OMG YOU PHAIL LOL.

Maybe the problem that caused the climbing suicide rate is the climbing population.
More people, more competition for everything, then more pressure on individuals, thus more suicidal attempts and more succesful suicides.
This may sound cruel but I think the suicides is the society's unconscious way to maintain balance for the population. If the population is decreasing then I guess people would be nicer to each other and less suicides.

*copies, pastes into my Theory of Knowledge essay* =_=;;

[Nagase]

People who only cut for attention, or only bleed a little and don't really aim for death imo are the pathetic ones. I mean, if someone came up to me and said they were cutting, I'd tell them to do it downwards instead of sideways, I have no time to be making non suicidal people, feel better about themselves.

If the population is decreasing then I guess people would be nicer to each other and less suicides.The numbers aren't high enough to make an ounce of difference, it's not genocide. The reason people are killing themsevles more, imo, is because it seems to be a "Cool" thing to harm yourself nowadays and people probably dig to deep and bleed out. No sympathy for them sadly.

If your gonna cut, go all the way and stop being a pain in the ass to the NHS and tax payers please kthx<3.

[Dream Machine]

Hardly no-one cuts just for attention and if they do they are also sick (just a very different kind of sick to others who self-harm).

Its not really seen as a cool thing to kill yourself except for in very underground subcultures that are dwindling anyway. As is shown in this thread many people seem to treat suicide with distate as it does run against natural human instincts, we are not meant to kill ourselves, we have all these things in us that are meant to find ways of staying alive for as long as possible.

But because we are a social animal, things happen that run contrary to what nature intends, drug abuse, people being ostracised for race/sexuality/religious affiliation/etc in certain communities, people who have been abused, financial difficulties. These things dont exist or at least dont exist in the same contect with non-sentient life. But we are children of nature so we recoil at the idea of suicide.

Like I think I wrote before, we should be helping people out of situations that lead to them becoming suicidal rather then thinking of them as weak.

[XwingsofaresX]

im just against cutting yourself. im the more talkative person. but i feel bad for those who cut themselves.^_^

[Nagase]

Hardly no-one cuts just for attention and if they do they are also sick (just a very different kind of sick to others who self-harm).

No in Engand, LOADS of people cut for attention. Emo's and goths mainly.

[Halfmetal]

Maybe the problem that caused the climbing suicide r
*copies, pastes into my Theory of Knowledge essay* =_=;;

Philosophy AQA?

No in Engand, LOADS of people cut for attention. Emo's and goths mainly.

Lol, That's so true.

I think if we allow suicide to be acceptable then there would be a MAJOR deficit in adolescents.

[Dream Machine]

I live in England.

This emo hating really annoys me, they're just as lame as any other subculture but for various reasons they attract a crazy amount of vitrol (probably lots of insecure, sexually confused teens who hate the androgyny prevalent to the subculture as it makes them need to assert their masculinity/heterosexuality, but anyway). Middle Class Indie kids fail ten times more on average (official statistic).

Anywho, the subculture is dieing anyway, getting absorbed into the goth and indie mainstreams, splitting down and fusing into other subcultures, as is the way with youth culture.

I've kind of run away from the point, but anyway a lot of sad isolated teens are attracted to the emo scene as it seems accepting for them, a lot of self-harmers are attracted to it. It doesnt make kids self-harm or commit suicide. God that sounds like something a reactionary Right-Wing newspaper would say 'EMO MADE MY KIDS KILL THMSELVES!'

Ugh.

[Halfmetal]

Unless your not part of a sub-culture. You're just...normal.

[[teehee]

I've kind of run away from the point, but anyway a lot of sad isolated teens are attracted to the emo scene as it seems accepting for them, a lot of self-harmers are attracted to it. It doesnt make kids self-harm or commit suicide. God that sounds like something a reactionary Right-Wing newspaper would say 'EMO MADE MY KIDS KILL THMSELVES!'

Not quite. Nearly all emo's I've known have cut, it's just they are to chicken shit to finish the job. Either go all the way or not at all. The only other people I've seen cut are a very small amount of either overweight kids or kids who can't stand up for themselves yet don't go to others for help.

It really is in all, alot of the time a pathetic cry for attention. They can't get noticed so they cut to somehow change that XD. Some people cut to release anger....I mean....If they really can't get past anger issues then they need to grow up.

UGh and the worst thing is, Emo's keep doing this thing here where they find a girlfriend after knowing them for a day, and then try and make them cut to xD. It can be for a lot of reasons but to fit into an emo gorup in the UK especially you seem to have to have slices down your arm.

[Halfmetal]

It's coz they're so emotional.:)