Ending of FFVSXIII is a tragedy?? [Archive]

Whiplash

Nov 26 2007, 10:07 AM

Nomura has compared the game to a Shakespearean tragedy so I imagine the main character will die at the end because that's one of the recurring themes of Shakespeare's tragedies. Whether it upsets anyone enough for them to cry at all, let alone for a week, remains to be seen. He'll also probably start out being noble but will be a really weasley bastard by the end of it, then regain some sort of nobility before dying.

elephant_lost

Nov 26 2007, 10:17 AM

Yeah I heard it would be a sad game and all
I hope it is tragic because it seems the tragic stories have the best plot...

Cilvia

Nov 26 2007, 12:33 PM

WTF! there always are tragedic endings in FF!
for example FF7.
Aaaaaaaaaah, i want Versy to be happy after all :((((

Whiplash

Nov 26 2007, 12:46 PM

FFVIII had a happy ending and I always felt that VII did as well. In fact X is the only recent FF I can think of that didn't have a really happy ending (I haven't played IX though so feel free to correct me on that point). And personally I felt that X's ending was the best of all the games that I've just mentioned so I personally don't object to this game being a tragedy so long as it's done well (i.e., like the best Shakespearean tragedies that it claims to be like and not like some whingy emo moan-fest that many of their characters have embodied).

Cilvia

Nov 26 2007, 03:04 PM

Ff7 had happy ending? i dont think so. They have only defeated their enemys, but still they havent found their hapiness- vincent- all girles he liked have died, but i hope he will hang out with uffie but just fan's thoughts :)))) Cloud- zack has died, aerith too. his ideal Sephiroth became a mad maniac, so he's dream was crushed. In the end of AC he only smiled when understood that he is not alone. But i can't imagine he smiles/laughs after that. Nothing changed.
FF7 is really cruel for nervs, when you think about every character as well.
so omg, give us a shadow,dark,mysterious game with unecxpected happy end!
I think that will be really great.

Allen Walker

Nov 26 2007, 03:08 PM

FF7 hasn't actually ended yet since the compilation is not finished.

I wouldn't mind a sad story for FFv13 because it would make the plot a bit more emotional....

TEA TOWEL HOLDER

Nov 26 2007, 03:11 PM

^ Yeah, a bit of an emotional plot makes games/movies good. :cunning:

Except that bit in the shaw shank redemption when the old man hangs himself. :(

Cilvia

Nov 26 2007, 04:21 PM

Kira: as i know, there is no Final Fantasy 7 planned yet, which will continue the story after DoC.
Dante: it is too boring, all filmes and games are that planned:
if game is mysterious, dark- sad ending.
If it is shining and happy- all are happy as well.
hmm maybe, the player will have a choice- which ending he will play to- maybe there will be two or more avaliable? well, nomura said that the game will use all PS3 abillities,why not :)

Rade

Nov 26 2007, 04:32 PM

I thought that FFVII had a happy ending... just because bad things have happened doesn't mean there can't be happiness in the future. Sure everyone lost people they loved, but they still managed to save the world and at least still have the friends that remain. It's a happy ending, but a bittersweet one.

I like happy endings but I can like tragedies if it's done right. As long as the conflict is resolved and the world is saved or made into a better place for everyone, then it's ok in my book, even if the main character or someone very close to the main character has to die.

Whiplash

Nov 26 2007, 04:36 PM

Dante: it is too boring, all filmes and games are that planned:
if game is mysterious, dark- sad ending.
If it is shining and happy- all are happy as well.

I think I disagree with this but I may have missed your point. Take the film Muriel's Wedding for example (which I doubt many here have seen but I'll continue anyway). This film has a bright, happy atmosphere, largely due to the use of ABBA songs and moments of comedy but, by your definition of a sad ending, it has one. Sure Muriel has learnt her lesson and we can see that she's going to lead a better, more fulfilling life and not make the same mistakes she has in the past but her mother has died, her friend is still paralysed and her siblings are still miserable. This is why I would argue that FFVII has a happy ending (and I'm going by the end of the game here, screw the spin-offs); the losses of the characters doesn't make the ending sad, it makes the game realistic. No major character actually dies during the ending as with X and there is a sense of hope and newness (I think I'll actually redefine the ending of FFX as 'bittersweet' rather than outright tragic, it's both terribly beautiful and terribly sad, even though I didn't actually really like Tidus). The ending of Othello is much more sad than the end of Macbeth because Macbeth has that hope of restoration of the kingdom, whereas at the end of Othello there is only death and the silence of Iago - no consolation.

What was I talking about?

Terros

Nov 26 2007, 07:10 PM

Tragic could mean a lot of things, it doesn't necessarily mean the character will die at the end. It wouldn't be wise to make it too much like Shakespeare anyway. But it's not out of the question.

jenny_kumiko

Nov 27 2007, 06:25 AM

A good movie need a good plot...tragedy maybe is a good point fo FFVSXIII...

Timi

Nov 27 2007, 02:05 PM

Surely,tragic .
SE says that everyone that have played this game will certainly be crying for the character for whole a week!
Oh, my god.
If my eyes get anything wrong,SE will be to blame for it.

Allen Walker

Nov 27 2007, 02:13 PM

Kira: as i know, there is no Final Fantasy 7 planned yet, which will continue the story after DoC.

There obviously is going to be one. And FF7 ending wasn't necessarily a sad ending because yes, Cloud was sad over Zack and Aerith... but he has Tifa :cunning:

Whiplash

Nov 27 2007, 02:15 PM

But if we go by AC then she's obviously had some breast reduction surgery so she's just not the same.

Allen Walker

Nov 27 2007, 02:18 PM

Opinions^ :cookie:

Where does it say the v13 will be sad?

Kitmitsu

Nov 27 2007, 02:35 PM

Where does it say the v13 will be sad?

Page one of how to be an FFXIII forum admin. Dengeki Interview, E3 2006:

At the press conference you mentioned that a theme in the project was "pain", can you explain what that meant?

Nomura: The current plot is truly very sad. It can be said that pain is from not having any bonds, but it is also the feeling that comes from a tragic story. There will likely not be a love relationship in the story, and it there is it is not what you will imagine. (laughs) You are probably thinking that instead of love it is friendship, but that is not to say there are no female characters. Simply that the main drive of the start is bonds and the pain that accompany them. That is the true nature of pain.

Kitase: Just now you mentioned that "FFVersusXIII" faces the challenge of being identified with the numbering. It is adventurous isn't it. It is something that I've been wanting to do but has not been possible until now. With a game it is often thought to create a conclusion which can be continued. On the other hand we seldom think of how refreshing it can be to have a climax that will remain concluded.

Nomura: After the announcement, there were many questions about the dark hero characteristic of the story, but it is not something so cool. It is not the case where the entire story and all the characters are completely dark. The story contains pain, but that is a realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship. The story tells of companions who spend time together and the happiness they share each day as well as the heavy responsibilities they carry.

Kitase: Even thought it is a tragedy, there should be some hope somewhere.

Nomura: We'll talk about that next time.

From the Engrish interview it seems there won't be much love there.

Rade

Nov 27 2007, 05:59 PM

Well there might not be love as in romance, but there'll certainly be love between friends. But we have to remember that they're going for realism with Versus, which I think is great. Just because they use the word 'tragedy' doesn't mean it's going to be filled with loss and pain and nothing else. Life is filled with tragedy every day but it's also filled with hope. I think this game will help to teach that even if we lose people who we love, there's always hope.

Terros

Nov 28 2007, 02:04 AM

Squall Lionheart

Nov 28 2007, 04:54 AM

ffVII~IX had happy endings. even X had a happy ending if you played its sequel (X-2) some bad things happen in all of them. I cant say i think XIII will a happy or sad ending none the less the game will be good. also zack didnt die in XII he died 2 years before it took place i hope some knew that and if not play crisis core, comes out at the end of march.

Naunen

Nov 28 2007, 07:02 AM

Well, he did say something like "Not really but it'll be tragic anyway and not take away from the replay value."

Terros

Nov 29 2007, 01:24 AM

Again this is a question we just can't answer yet, we hardly know anything about the beginning of the game let alone the end. Darn Square, can't even tell us the prologue.

terek

Dec 13 2007, 01:47 PM

Nomura said the FFVSXIII is a tragic...is it a tragedy in the end????maybe the main character will die..it confused me...i hope the character dont die but Nomura said after playing the game..we can cry for 1 week..is it true???What u guys think about it???:(:(

i totally agree with tragic game plot!! it really has an effect on the player!! Not only that, tragic game plot tends to make us remember the character forever like it stuck in your memories...

such as the death of Aeris in ff7 and Tidus dramatic ending in ff10 and also the ff7 crisis core of zack ending .... i think those three title games have really great storyline and great impact on player all over the world... although ff12 also have dramatic scene but the ending really does dissappoint me...

but i really want a romance to happen!! the only reason i played the FF series is the romance plot. PLEASE LET IT HAVE ROMANCE!!! i dun wanna another plot story like ff12...

p/s: agree with terros, there should be some prologue atleast... OR GIVE US A FULL TRAILER OF ALL THE CHARACTER!!!!(so we can make more conclusion on the game ending) why the hell they need to be so secretive about it.

SinGabrynth

Dec 22 2007, 04:23 AM

As long as I don't start cutting myself, I will play it.

TEA TOWEL HOLDER

Dec 22 2007, 01:30 PM

A game hasn't made me cry so far. :cookie: MGS4 will probably beat Versus too it, I don't wanna see Snake die. :'(

Maiya Saiyado

Dec 23 2007, 09:46 PM

Haha, there hasn't been a game that makes me cry either. I hope they can pull it off to make Versus a really sad/tragic game. Can't form off what the heck that would make it so tragic yet, because of the lack of information. BUT, the mood is pretty down there so I think they're starting off well, hell more than well, great.

XwingsofaresX

Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM

I agree, tragedy doesn't mean anyone has to die, the situation itself could be tragic. You can still be alive and be a tragic person.
yeah like Oedipus the King. oedipus became ashamed at the end, but was mentioned as dead in Antigone. Only thing i want is for the prince to not die.

Terros

Dec 24 2007, 03:26 AM

Exactly, there are examples of tragic people who didn't die, but their circumstances made them tragic.

Spinel

Dec 24 2007, 04:16 PM

Nomura: After the announcement, there were many questions about the dark hero characteristic of the story, but it is not something so cool. It is not the case where the entire story and all the characters are completely dark. The story contains pain, but that is a realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship. The story tells of companions who spend time together and the happiness they share each day as well as the heavy responsibilities they carry.
Somehow, I have a bad feeling about this words....

A pain about friendships? maybe it's about betrayal.
I've ever think about the last trailer of versus that contains fight of the protagonist and the girl. Could it be something about lost trust friendships?

And talk about the friendships... I guess there will be some yaoi doujinshi about this.... =_=
maybe....

Maiya Saiyado

Dec 24 2007, 10:14 PM

Somehow, I have a bad feeling about this words....

A pain about friendships? maybe it's about betrayal.
I've ever think about the last trailer of versus that contains fight of the protagonist and the girl. Could it be something about lost trust friendships?

And talk about the friendships... I guess there will be some yaoi doujinshi about this.... =_=
maybe....

Betrayal is something nice to work on I suppose... But I'm used to seeing lots on betryals, broken relationships, etc in stories and such. I'm hoping that they'll somehow find a way to make it new. I doubt it, but I suppose they could do something like betrayal and add twists on it so it doesn't become cliche.

Ahaha. I actually support yaoi, but I don't think I'd like yaoi with the characters of this game. Probably not until I see shotgun guy, but that's not the point.

Terros

Dec 24 2007, 11:32 PM

Perhaps his bond to the crystal causes him pain? What if the last crystal is dying? Despite his efforts he may not be able to help the crystal, who may be a close friend. What if his life and the crystal are connected, that bond could be very troubling for the prince.

XwingsofaresX

Dec 24 2007, 11:51 PM

maybe what we've seen in the trailers can be the end result. the crystal was actually human but died which led to the prince's emo-ish look and solitary sense of humanity. then the loved one he lost is in the crystal. so he protects it. seems sad now that i see it.

SquallEX

Aug 28 2008, 04:11 PM

Maybe he lost his throne

Mkiza

Aug 28 2008, 04:18 PM

Or maybe the prince dosen't die after all :D

Maybe he just kill his friends for some sick reason. Then at last he returns to his mansion like he did in the first trailer... The End XD

barties

Aug 28 2008, 04:44 PM

Ya a tragic ending always have good stories. I wish they die like in a funny way that would make you laugh for a week. That would be cool but people in the gaming industry can never be imuature.

pupucachi

Aug 28 2008, 04:53 PM

skirtgirl

Sep 01 2008, 09:29 AM

maybe important characters will die or something. i was wondering, WHERE ARE THE PRINCE'S 'FRIENDS' in the scene shown in the trailer? why is he all alone???

SquallEX

Sep 01 2008, 10:39 AM

Maybe they wanna show that the prince prefer being alone than hanging out with friends.

dxgirly

Sep 01 2008, 05:18 PM

^Or that he's just like every other person and doesn't spend every waking moment with his friends *shrug*

Naunen

Sep 02 2008, 01:09 AM

^Or that he's just like every other person and doesn't spend every waking moment with his friends *shrug*

----That or his friends just aren't in the palace 'cause, well, if they were there, they'd be freeloaders living in HIS palace. It's just trailers. You know.... The flashy kinds Square shows before scrapping it. Just 'cause they're not there doesn't mean they died or something. :whistle: Considering it looks like things just started.

VeraAlexander

Sep 02 2008, 01:37 AM

I think and hope it will be tragic, as to how i can't really say for sure. I have cried on previous games and i hope FFVXIII will do that to me again, it's only happpened 3 times and 4 is my favorite number, so i want FFVXIII to be the fourth one lol.

Lelouch

Sep 02 2008, 01:59 AM

If it's Shakespeare like then I'll laugh. Nothing pissed me off more than Shakespeare... fuck him. Over kill.

Naunen

Sep 02 2008, 02:02 AM

If it's Shakespeare like then I'll laugh. Nothing pissed me off more than Shakespeare... fuck him. Over kill.

----If you don't like Shakespeare, then don't post things like this in a thread about Shakespeare references.

Yuuko-Hime

Sep 02 2008, 02:04 PM

I like sheakspeare so it would be awesome if it ends like a sheakspeare tragedy :P

Maybe the prince in the end will loose everything ( his throne, his friends ...) it's not necessery for him to die !

CaptainCortez

Sep 05 2008, 02:31 PM

Hmm, to be honest, I'm kinda going along witht he whole Romeo and Juliet idea.

I think either the girl will die, or they may die both together. Either way I think one of them will die, possibly trying to save the other.

There's going to be a love interest there between skirtgirl and the Prince. ;)

First post anyway, so hey everyone.

redmotman

Sep 05 2008, 02:42 PM

Tragic could mean a lot of things, it doesn't necessarily mean the character will die at the end. It wouldn't be wise to make it too much like Shakespeare anyway. But it's not out of the question

topgunffx

Sep 05 2008, 02:49 PM

yea tragic could mean that the ending doesn't go as the main party planned for it to go....

-Tidus4

Sep 05 2008, 03:37 PM

ofcourse there's going to be a tragic ending... This game is ment to have a "dark" plot, so i don't see a wedding or such happening at the end.

I just want to be surprised really, I doubt Nomura is going to do the obvious and kill the main character so people can say "this game made me cry". I recon there'll be alot of back stabbing and twists in the story. And also it would be better if some of the side characters or skirt girl died and then at the end you have the prince pissed off with his red eyes seeking revenge all in one huge pre-rendered cutscene. This way we can cry and experience a badass pissed off to his limits.

CaptainCortez

Sep 07 2008, 04:10 AM

I pretty much agree with you above. ;)

I reckon he'll lose almost everything, some of, if not all of his friends will die, and his love interest may also die........turning him into the darkened character he seems to be portrayed as.

Backstabbing and plot twists are pretty much a given in my opinion.

Theaxe999

Sep 08 2008, 03:04 PM

Misschoco

Sep 08 2008, 07:26 PM

Sounds too emo for his death or his friends death to be tragic.*slits* :wtf:

Bleh this might be a little twisted but what if he like lost his sanity which in turn cost him everything he appreciated due to immense psychological disturbances.

iThe Princei

Sep 08 2008, 07:34 PM

Misschoco

Sep 08 2008, 07:37 PM

if this were true, I hope it is good. I have to admit I would like it to be more of an impact than kingdom hearts games and or the long ending of metal gear solid 4. Those made me have a tear every time played them.
Kingdom hearts was plain cute thats why it had a sweet somewhat sad impact.FFvsxii being sweet-rofl lulz :wtf:

Metal gear solid would've bought tears to someone eyes due to the fact that it was a long running series,snake was fuking epic,and the series which felt as though it still had to continue came to an end.

Im anticipating to see how much more of an impact it will make then the above games.

dxgirly

Sep 08 2008, 07:45 PM

Misschoco

Sep 08 2008, 08:09 PM

Does anyone know where they stand on a possible multi-ending? "Good", "Bad", etc, based on how you play or the choices they make?

I love multiple endings personally and they add to the replay value. IMO. That way I could get a tragic ending and happy ending
I personally think that that would be quite *shit*

1.A multiple ending would be too confusing,incomplete and inconsistent.
2.A real solid ending would create a better closure.
3.*if* a sequel were to be released it'd be inconsistent with the previous game.
4.I dont want two sides of the story being explained to me on wikipedia.

iThe Princei

Sep 08 2008, 08:18 PM

Kingdom hearts was plain cute thats why it had a sweet somewhat sad impact.FFvsxii being sweet-rofl lulz :wtf:

Metal gear solid would've bought tears to someone eyes due to the fact that it was a long running series,snake was fuking epic,and the series which felt as though it still had to continue came to an end.

Im anticipating to see how much more of an impact it will make then the above games.

I think they both had an huge impact on me after playing them. I feel that the song dearly beloved in kingdom hearts is one of the saddest songs I have heard. They both made me sad PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS =(

dxgirly

Sep 08 2008, 08:25 PM

I personally think that that would be quite *shit*

1.A multiple ending would be too confusing,incomplete and inconsistent.
2.A real solid ending would create a better closure.
3.*if* a sequel were to be released it'd be inconsistent with the previous game.
4.I dont want two sides of the story being explained to me on wikipedia.

Good points. I think I really just like that they add to replay value and give me extra things to work towards. I dunno. I can definitely see what you're saying though. Especially since SE has gone a bit sequel/prequel crazy

conected87

Sep 08 2008, 08:34 PM

For a game that's supposed to be based on current world events I think it'll be a tragic game, even though too much tragedy pisses me a little

xkeyblademasterx07

Sep 16 2008, 11:56 PM

WTF! there always are tragedic endings in FF!
for example FF7.
Aaaaaaaaaah, i want Versy to be happy after all :((((

lol its actually named versus becuase in latin versus means like "counter"
this final fantasy will be like a counter to the other ones as in it will be sadder, most final fantasys are not continuly sad throughout the storyline and maybe this one will be

CrossX5

Sep 27 2008, 02:01 PM

I like this topic.

Indeed Nomura did note to us that Versus is going to be a bit of a tragic. And I love a good tragedy story. But I don't want Prince dying... I want him to live on. But I get this strong feeling that Versus is going to have an awsome storyline to it. Hope that story won't include Prince dying or anything.

ArxTheHero

Sep 27 2008, 07:03 PM

I really would like to see a sad ending. No FF has really made me really sad. Most likely the Prince and Skirt Girl will die.

KimRaiHyun

Oct 09 2008, 04:52 PM

Tragedy !!!
Maybe the ending will be similiar to Romeo and Juliet...=)

Naunen

Oct 09 2008, 11:22 PM

Tragedy !!!
Maybe the ending will be similiar to Romeo and Juliet...=)

----Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?

Nox Noctis Consuasor

Oct 09 2008, 11:37 PM

I thought Nomura said that the story was inspired by Hamlet... Or something.
Buuut, I imagine that the ending will be something like... Noctis dies a horrible, bloody, gun-related death- along with Stella, not before his friends die. *coughscarguycoughshotgunguycoughwhoeverelsecough*
=_=
I can just see it.

7 of Hope

Oct 09 2008, 11:49 PM

I dont really like storys that end with some one dieing or anything like that. I hope no one dies, but i have a feeling someone will. But, somehow i think the story wouldn't be as good if it ended happy. Some storys are just meant to be sad.

Nox Noctis Consuasor

Oct 09 2008, 11:52 PM

Well, they have said that it would probably be the darkest Final Fantasy yet.
And that means alot, when compared to some of the others.

Versia

Oct 10 2008, 11:23 AM

I don't think it will end like Romeo and Juliet, because there is no lovestory in Versus. I believe that the prince will die. If the story has any similarities with Shakespear's Hamlet, then it will be so.
I like tragedys, but relating to Versus I feel depressed by now.

Stella

Oct 10 2008, 11:28 AM

I'd like something sad, because FF series has a happy ending...
Maybe Noctis dies... Like Yuri in Shadow Hearts II--Love that game.
But we don't know about romance at all, the relationship between Noctis and Stella.
I mean they were saying FFXII won't have romance, but you could tell the Rasler x Ashe, or even Balthier I mean.
I hope Square-Enix surprise us.

KimRaiHyun

Oct 10 2008, 12:06 PM

----Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?

So is it wrong to give my opinion just like that ? why so serious ?
Lol.
Forgive Me If I Was Wrong...:)
Then another prediction..
How about an ending like Itachi and sasuke ?
Noctis fought Stella.Stella died and Noctis found out her real intentions with the fight earlier..
And then...
THE END.Hahaha..:lol:

If you keep saying "Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?"
Then i will answer..

"No, i don't !" :rolleyes:

J.K

Like Stella said...
"hope square enix surprise us"

Naunen

Oct 10 2008, 03:28 PM

So is it wrong to give my opinion just like that ? why so serious ?
Lol.
Forgive Me If I Was Wrong...:)
Then another prediction..
How about an ending like Itachi and sasuke ?
Noctis fought Stella.Stella died and Noctis found out her real intentions with the fight earlier..
And then...
THE END.Hahaha..:lol:

If you keep saying "Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?"
Then i will answer..

"No, i don't !" :rolleyes:

J.K

Like Stella said...
"hope square enix surprise us"

----I meant, use your own thoughts to form an opinion rather than have something so generic like "Maybe the ending will be similiar to Romeo and Juliet..." Not much of an opinion in itself.

Yes, that Itachi vs. Sasuke speculation would be fucking epic in a game like that. I'd think it'd be more so if the Prince were the one dying. :cunning: I'd love to have a main guy die.