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Yurian
Dec 15 2007, 04:47 PM
In the CLOUD DVD trailer, Versus Guy comes out of his domain only to return to it after fighting. Is there a reason for this? Is he waiting?

He seems to be brooding - depressed, quietly anxious, running away - about something.

Desi
Dec 15 2007, 04:51 PM
that was in the first trailer too. Remember they cut out the part where he gets "ambushed" by the magic user and its friend/enemy the girl.

Yurian
Dec 15 2007, 04:56 PM
lol It did happen in the first trailer. It just became more apparent to me after I watched the Cloud DVD one.

After all the fighting, however, it seems as if nothing has changed. He gets up, fights, then goes back and sits down.

There's also an excursion to a desert with his 'friend'. I don't remember where that fits in though.

Pulse
Dec 15 2007, 05:02 PM
I think the reason they havent shown any characters in these new trailers publicly is because they are going to completely change them. I dont think they will drastically change the appearance of 'storm', but I do they may change the other characters alot.

SinirothXIII
Dec 15 2007, 06:25 PM
I think the reason they havent shown any characters in these new trailers publicly is because they are going to completely change them. I dont think they will drastically change the appearance of 'storm', but I do they may change the other characters alot.

Could be. Nomura did mention how they aren't the final designs of the people.

Interficio Nocte
Dec 15 2007, 07:13 PM
It looks more like Storm is pissed and got bored with the enemy, so he went back inside to think.

Allen Walker
Dec 15 2007, 07:38 PM
I believe the sitting on the throne scene was the same from the trailer that came out long ago...

Kyshia
Dec 15 2007, 07:49 PM
maybe he doesn't want to leave the crystals !

Ultima Star
Dec 15 2007, 09:43 PM
Like you guys say he's waiting ..maybe for the main enemy and yeah..that scene of the hooded person that 'ambushes' him hasnt appeared..and it was due to..:unsure:
But all the scenes kinda dont fit together cos first he's in the car then he gets out of his..'castle' and fights' then he appears like going down a building and in front of the castle again..and sitting on his throne again so ..:blink: what's wrong with this?
And...damn Square you cut the scene with the hooded guy/girl

Terros
Dec 16 2007, 12:07 AM
All I can tell is that he's giving something a lot of thought, and i think when he opens his eyes something or someone has disturbed him.

Rade
Dec 16 2007, 12:49 AM
We don't see the army at that point, maybe they got scared and stopped fighting, so he gave them a kind of 'Yeah.. good choice.' look before walking away.

Terros
Dec 16 2007, 01:43 AM
I think that they retreated after he went back inside.

Ermis
Dec 16 2007, 03:17 PM
he left the refrigerator door open

Whiplash
Dec 17 2007, 03:05 AM
That would explain why it looked so cold inside.

Blu Ray Disc
Dec 17 2007, 03:43 AM
I don't really think it has any meaning, but is just some footage that SE put together as a teaser trailer.
They're probably two different parts put together. Cause the part with him in the car and the part with him in the throne room makes no sense.
But, then again, I could be wrong, and he could be waiting for something.

Dark Vincent
Dec 17 2007, 07:52 AM
As I said on another topic after observing his eye twitching while he is sleeping, maybe he is having a nightmare. And why not, the whole battle could be just part of his nightmares. That would explain a few things and could be used by Nomura to make us play him as a level 1 noob that can barely jump, despite we all getting impressed by those moves in the CGs.

Terros
Dec 17 2007, 11:56 AM
As I said on another topic after observing his eye twitching while he is sleeping, maybe he is having a nightmare. And why not, the whole battle could be just part of his nightmares. That would explain a few things and could be used by Nomura to make us play him as a level 1 noob that can barely jump, despite we all getting impressed by those moves in the CGs.
I really think you've got something there with the whole dream theory.

Dark Vincent
Dec 17 2007, 12:12 PM
Yeah like you said it would explain some of the most obvious discrepancies such as the soldiers getting there while the rest of the city is intact. Also check the logo, maybe I'm pushing it, but the woman does look like she's sleeping/resting, so dream/nightmare/slumber could be part of the theme/plot in question..

estella
Dec 17 2007, 01:38 PM
One part of the implication of trailers, like I read in the AC Memorial Book <<2,000 YEN BIG TIME!! D:
was that they will never, ever use the same images again in the actual clips in the game. I also dink that the versus guy looks different in every single screenshot. Again, I hope he's not called Storm cuz its just repugnant. argh argh.

Rade
Dec 17 2007, 01:44 PM
I also thought the game might have something to do with sleeping or dreams, but hadn't considered the whole fight to be a dream itself. One thing I noticed about the trailer is that at several points he almost looks like he's about to drop off to sleep; his eye-lids seem to droop a couple times. So I thought, maybe he's going back inside to sleep? Maybe he can't stay awake for very long for some reason.

But I've watched this trailer a hundred times now and I still haven't noticed his eye twitching at the end >.>

estella
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
The reason they drop is cuz its a sexy implication <3

Oops I meant The Reunion book btw. Not memorial, confused it with Fafner big time...

Rade
Dec 17 2007, 03:59 PM
The reason they drop is cuz its a sexy implication <3

Oops I meant The Reunion book btw. Not memorial, confused it with Fafner big time...

....Huh? :|

Terros
Dec 18 2007, 09:50 PM
I also thought the game might have something to do with sleeping or dreams, but hadn't considered the whole fight to be a dream itself. One thing I noticed about the trailer is that at several points he almost looks like he's about to drop off to sleep; his eye-lids seem to droop a couple times. So I thought, maybe he's going back inside to sleep? Maybe he can't stay awake for very long for some reason.

But I've watched this trailer a hundred times now and I still haven't noticed his eye twitching at the end >.>
I glad you brought the issue of it looks like he's tired, the possiblity that he can't stay awake for extended amounts of time could be the side effects of his powers. The price he pays for the crystal pehaps?

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 19 2007, 03:56 AM
Ugh... This sort of sounds as if something is draining away at his life or something, sort of a cliche idea, well making him really sleeping which sounds kind of weird, don't you think? As for his return... Well... This is just an extended part from the last trailer. So, I doubt that there is any great meaning behind the Cloud extended trailer compared to the trailer we received... Last year? It is just a longer part of what was supposed to happen in the trailer we received in 2006. So, I don't know if it can really be considered a return.

Ultima Star
Dec 19 2007, 03:40 PM
As I said on another topic after observing his eye twitching while he is sleeping, maybe he is having a nightmare. And why not, the whole battle could be just part of his nightmares. That would explain a few things and could be used by Nomura to make us play him as a level 1 noob that can barely jump, despite we all getting impressed by those moves in the CGs.

O_o
I had never thought of that then that explains why he is showed like sleeping..even though it seemed more like he was thinking rather than sleeping anyway.
Um...though all the scenes..I wonder if they're going to be the intro cos well...getting into a fight without knowing a thing of the mian c haracter or the story behind him or t he reason to fight would be...weird.

Yeah like you said it would explain some of the most obvious discrepancies such as the soldiers getting there while the rest of the city is intact. Also check the logo, maybe I'm pushing it, but the woman does look like she's sleeping/resting, so dream/nightmare/slumber could be part of the theme/plot in question..

Nice point now there. But t he last part..you're making me think that if all the game is based on dream/nightmare then....all the game is going to be a dream? -_______- I'd be disappointed to play a game and then finding out my character was sleeping all the way.

One part of the implication of trailers, like I read in the AC Memorial Book <<2,000 YEN BIG TIME!! D:
was that they will never, ever use the same images again in the actual clips in the game. I also dink that the versus guy looks different in every single screenshot. Again, I hope he's not called Storm cuz its just repugnant. argh argh.

Ya mean like..it's only a teaser and Sqaure is only showing us what they can do with CG and the PS3 technology O_o?

I also thought the game might have something to do with sleeping or dreams, but hadn't considered the whole fight to be a dream itself. One thing I noticed about the trailer is that at several points he almost looks like he's about to drop off to sleep; his eye-lids seem to droop a couple times. So I thought, maybe he's going back inside to sleep? Maybe he can't stay awake for very long for some reason.

But I've watched this trailer a hundred times now and I still haven't noticed his eye twitching at the end >.>

Um..that makes me think..if he cant stay awake..maybe..is due to his connection to the Crystal like if it was draining his energy...um...I mgiht be wrong though.

And seconded I havent seen that either =/

Dark Vincent
Dec 19 2007, 03:52 PM
I dont think the whole game would be a dream, but I think it plays a part in the main plot. As for the eye twitch, pay attention to his right eye (the one closest to his hand) between 1:46 and 1:47 on the video, it's veeeery subtle.

As for that fight being the intro, I don't think so, but it could be depending on how they tie up the scenes and facts before/after the fight itself.

Ultima Star
Dec 19 2007, 04:00 PM
Square will surprie us for sure...um...chotto...
This reminds me that in the first trailer t he scene where he's thinking is repeated twice..maybe is a dream..um...a vision of the future..probably

Terros
Dec 19 2007, 10:32 PM
Ugh... This sort of sounds as if something is draining away at his life or something, sort of a cliche idea, well making him really sleeping which sounds kind of weird, don't you think? As for his return... Well... This is just an extended part from the last trailer. So, I doubt that there is any great meaning behind the Cloud extended trailer compared to the trailer we received... Last year? It is just a longer part of what was supposed to happen in the trailer we received in 2006. So, I don't know if it can really be considered a return.

I don't think the idea is as cliche as it sounds. What's happening the the main character could act as a window into what is happening to the crystal. What if he is connected to the crystal? Maybe his waning ability to stay wake, could be a sign that the LAST crystal is dying.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 01:13 AM
I don't think the idea is as cliche as it sounds. What's happening the the main character could act as a window into what is happening to the crystal. What if he is connected to the crystal? Maybe his waning ability to stay wake, could be a sign that the LAST crystal is dying.

Oh, when you put it that way. It really doesn't sound cliche. Also, I guess he is connected to the crystal since he is protecting it. Your idea sounds pretty good or at least makes a lot of sense.

Terros
Dec 20 2007, 01:21 AM
If he is in some way connected to the crystal whatever happens to the crystal has a direct impact on himself, all the more reason to protect from everyone.

Ultima Star
Dec 20 2007, 01:33 AM
Thenw hat if the crystal breaks? then maybe even his life depends on it

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 01:42 AM
Ouchies... If the crystal broke, like shattered into pieces... I don't know, I get the image of his insides like getting spliced in half or his entire body convulsing or being unable to move. I suppose the crystal is related to him in some way and that if something did happen to the crystal it would impact him. However, I don't think it would physically do anything to him. Well, we aren't sure of the powers of this crystal, but the crystal in FFXIII creates things. Maybe Versus' crystal does something similar? Maybe it created the city?

Terros
Dec 20 2007, 01:47 AM
I don't know if it can break, rather than break, I would say the crystal can die. Nomura said the crystal isn't what we conventionally think of as a crystal, I think the crystal will be in a living form, like that of a human.

Dark Vincent
Dec 20 2007, 01:48 AM
Maybe I'm right about the weapons being represented by different shards of the crystal so when you start the game something will happen the crystal will shatter and you will have only one shard/weapon, can barely jump and will fail at life for a long time until you recover everything just in time for the last boss weee~ XD

Terros
Dec 20 2007, 01:51 AM
I still have my doubts, there is only one crystal, and it isn't in the form we think of, this theory is completely reliant on the idea of that the crystal in a crystalline form. Which Nomura already said otherwise.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 01:51 AM
Perhaps it is in human form, but remember in one of the interviews (I think) it is said that the crystal is inside that huge pillar behind the throne. Why would something living be inside of a pillar? I get for protection and if it were a huge rock or something I could imagine it being inside of a pillar. However, since your view is the pillar is living... in a human form it sort of doesn't fit that well together... Then again, Jenova was inside of a tube, though not a pillar, sort of similar.

Though, I do like your idea of the crystal being able to die. Better than just normal old breaking.

Terros
Dec 20 2007, 01:57 AM
Well think, that pillar is unusually large. There could be a stairwell or elevator up to a room.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 02:04 AM
Maybe I'm right about the weapons being represented by different shards of the crystal so when you start the game something will happen the crystal will shatter and you will have only one shard/weapon, can barely jump and will fail at life for a long time until you recover everything just in time for the last boss weee~ XD

Aha! Starting off weak like that would suck so bad. Still would be awesome as hell, but it would still suck. Anyway, I also remember in an interview saying that the trailer takes place somewhat in the middle of the game. Or is just basically a view of what it'll be like when you "retrieve" all of the swords. So, I'm guessing we have to hunt them down. I also doubt the crystal will shatter... Could happen in a struggle, just seems weird though.

I still have my doubts, there is only one crystal, and it isn't in the form we think of, this theory is completely reliant on the idea of that the crystal in a crystalline form. Which Nomura already said otherwise.

Yeah, one crystal does seem awfully strange. It kind of makes you wonder how come there is only one now? The war over it or something? Maybe they did something to the other crystals that made them... break down? Or die?

Well think, that pillar is unusually large. There could be a stairwell or elevator up to a room.

Haha. That makes sense. But we don't even know if the pillar is connected to anything. Heck, the crystal could be in the form of a liquid. It would be in a jar in the floor in the center of the pillar. Who knows?

Dark Vincent
Dec 20 2007, 02:13 AM
Maybe the Crystal could be a weapon (not a sword, I mean something huge like a cannon or whatever), which would explain why an army is after it XP But yeah I don't think it's something this obvious. Nor do I think my theory about the crystal shattering being truthful either XD
You know one thing that could be cool would be if the main guy started really that strong thanks to the Crystal, then once the Crystal was lost (robbed, broken, killed, drained, whatever) you would go losing your powers gradually over the game (like Arthas on Frozen Throne's Campaign). Of course, to face off a bigger treat, something would have to happen for you to recover all your power again near the end.
It could get very challenging to play the game like that heh

Terros
Dec 20 2007, 02:13 AM
Exactly. It's implied that there were more crystals at one point, but we don't know what happened.

Dark Vincent
Dec 20 2007, 02:18 AM
Exactly. It's implied that there were more crystals at one point, but we don't know what happened.Yeah about the current Crystal we're supposed to protect, they refer to it as "the Last Crystal" or something. If it's the last, then it's safe to assume there were others before.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 02:40 AM
Now, we just need to know what happened to those crystals. Do you think there's a possibility that there were other kings such as Storm, in other countries that protected crystals as such, but failed? Maybe something along those lines.

Dark Vincent
Dec 20 2007, 02:46 AM
Now, we just need to know what happened to those crystals. Do you think there's a possibility that there were other kings such as Storm, in other countries that protected crystals as such, but failed? Maybe something along those lines.That, or maybe their power was drained (akin to Mako Energy or the Magicites), or if they were weapons they got all used up? It's hard to tell since we don't know what exactly these Crystals are

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 03:11 AM
That, or maybe their power was drained (akin to Mako Energy or the Magicites), or if they were weapons they got all used up? It's hard to tell since we don't know what exactly these Crystals are

Ah, poor Storm. Pressure must be on him if our probably really not accurate speculations are right. Well, it has been speculated that Storm may be affected by the crystal, like being drained or something like that. So perhaps they did lose. What do you think a crystal is? Honestly, I think it's just a huge rock. But then again, the interview with Nomura kind of contradicts the normal, it's just a big fat shining crystal theory.

Dark Vincent
Dec 20 2007, 12:15 PM
I have no idea on what the Crystal actually is XD

Dark Remnant
Dec 20 2007, 12:18 PM
It could be anything.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 20 2007, 11:39 PM
I just realized something... Knowing nothing about what we're speculating sucks.

Dark Remnant
Dec 20 2007, 11:54 PM
We wouldn't be speculating if we knew.

I'd lol if the crystal turned out to be an old tyre or a dirty boot.

Dark Vincent
Dec 21 2007, 01:22 PM
We wouldn't be speculating if we knew.

I'd lol if the crystal turned out to be an old tyre or a dirty boot.You had me laughing like a moron in front of my monitor for a good 10 secs when I read that XD

Terros
Dec 24 2007, 03:47 AM
Honestly I think the crystal is in human form.

penguin_luv
Dec 24 2007, 04:46 AM
Honestly I think the crystal is in human form.
I agree =)
Can it be the prince himself? I dunno but I hope it is then it will be more interesting. '-'

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 24 2007, 05:53 AM
I agree =)
Can it be the prince himself? I dunno but I hope it is then it will be more interesting. '-'

Oh, wow. Actually, that sounds like an interesting idea. It sounds like a really good one--the prince being the crystal. Though, we wouldn't know what the pillar would be for. =_=

penguin_luv
Dec 24 2007, 10:27 AM
Oh, wow. Actually, that sounds like an interesting idea. It sounds like a really good one--the prince being the crystal. Though, we wouldn't know what the pillar would be for. =_=

ahaha... And the idea of "the last crystal" and "the last heir" works too! 'o'

Spinel
Dec 24 2007, 10:41 AM
ahaha... And the idea of "the last crystal" and "the last heir" works too! 'o'
This is makes sense, I guess. They seems like connected each other. Particularly, I'm a bit agree with this idea.

But according to old Final Fantasies, doesn't all of the crystal shaped like a huge shiny stone that floating in a dungeon? And it can talk?
And I read somewhere, that his weapons were crystals. Look at those transparent super hard things that always protected him from any kinds of attack. Even some bazooka's shots.

Terros
Dec 24 2007, 04:08 PM
Maybe the last crystal put a peice of it self inside the prince? Don't as me how, I wouldn't know.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 24 2007, 10:08 PM
Strangely enough, this is all sort of piecing together even if it is all speculation. It would sort of make a good story to me though it's not much. The whole last heir and last crystal thing works, to me anyway. I wonder if there were other crystals who had a 'protector' like the prince in the same situation.

@Spinel Well, I heard Nomura is making the crystal different from what we all originally think a crystal is. I suppose he's trying to work out of the cliche idea of being a big rock that floats and talks, but who knows?

Also, the crystal embedding a piece of itself in the prince sounds painful, good idea and works, painful. Haha.

Terros
Dec 24 2007, 11:24 PM
They may have, or they had to find ones, I think they were on the run, cause they were being hunted for their powers. I think the prince's family took in the now "last" crystal. That would explain one reason he is the last memeber of his family. They could have been killed trying to protect the crystal.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 26 2007, 10:03 AM
Makes sense, so why is shotgun gun guy there? He certainly doesn't seem like royalty and it's said that's he's supposedly a refugee or something. Think others outside of the royal family are trying to protect the crystals? But I guess it's to be expected, I mean it is the last crystal, everyone must be either trying to steal it for themselves, wanting to destroy it, or trying to protect it.

pupucachi
Dec 26 2007, 02:31 PM
FF Vs XIII is about the crystal right? So it must be improtant. Maybe everyone wants to have it for power. So he is trying to protect the Crystal, since it's the last one remains in his kingdom. His family may die, just like u said.

Terros
Dec 26 2007, 07:07 PM
At this point his family is already dead.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 26 2007, 10:35 PM
Well, assuming that his family is dead, which seems highly likely since he is the last prince. I'm just going to go and say his family is dead. But... It makes me think, I mean the prince is pretty freaking strong from what we've seen. This makes me believe that his family was strong too, whether it was a father, brother, or mother or something along those lines. How could they have died off?

The prince makes it seem so easy, so it makes me wonder how people that were probably as strong as the prince could have been killed off. The prince is doing pretty well surviving.

Terros
Dec 27 2007, 02:16 AM
Were missing the critical peice of puzzle and without that it's impossible to answer many of these questions. We're missing what led up there only being one crystal. This is the main issue, everything branches off from this point. This event (or more likely series of events) is the singularity that ties everything together. To make it simple I'll make a timeline:

The event(s) that lead up to there being only ONE crystal --> There royal family aquires the crystal --> an incident occurs in which the family is killed off - the prince survives --> the prince becomes a skilled warrior and begins protecting the crystal --> Present (the trailers)

pupucachi
Dec 27 2007, 03:57 AM
And I think he won't do all of this alone. He may has friends to help

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 27 2007, 05:32 AM
Well then, any speculations on why there is only one crystal then? Since it seems to be the core of everything and all. Haha, yeah there probably will be friends to help. I don't think there's ever been a SE game that hasn't had a party group. Though, I doubt the king likes the help very much.

pupucachi
Dec 27 2007, 07:51 AM
He's the quite person. Yah, maybe he likes to work alone. But it's better if you get help, right? :D

Spinel
Dec 27 2007, 02:31 PM
Well, assuming that his family is dead, which seems highly likely since he is the last prince. I'm just going to go and say his family is dead. But... It makes me think, I mean the prince is pretty freaking strong from what we've seen. This makes me believe that his family was strong too, whether it was a father, brother, or mother or something along those lines. How could they have died off?

The prince makes it seem so easy, so it makes me wonder how people that were probably as strong as the prince could have been killed off. The prince is doing pretty well surviving.
Well, this is only my opinion....

If i say the theory of old final fantasies stories which says that anyone that chosen by the crystal has given any powers to save the world, maybe that's the reason why he got the powers. Talking another speculation theory about his weapons are the last crystals...

Maybe the crystal lend it's power but the prince has to protect it in change of the power.

But I also support Terros' theory.
The event(s) that lead up to there being only ONE crystal --> There royal family aquires the crystal --> an incident occurs in which the family is killed off - the prince survives --> the prince becomes a skilled warrior and begins protecting the crystal --> Present (the trailers)
It's confusing actually...

BlankChocobo
Dec 27 2007, 04:56 PM
Well, this is only my opinion....

If i say the theory of old final fantasies stories which says that anyone that chosen by the crystal has given any powers to save the world, maybe that's the reason why he got the powers. Talking another speculation theory about his weapons are the last crystals...

Maybe the crystal lend it's power but the prince has to protect it in change of the power.

But I also support Terros' theory.

It's confusing actually...

I think there's definitely a feeling of the "Chosen" to the protagonist in the trailers we have seen. The really shimmery, radiant magic motes that surround the protagonist when he's using his weapons, the really shimmery sounds... the momentary "suspended" effect that you get when the protagonist teleports straight up, and his velocity hits zero before he starts to come down with gravity, really seems to be defying gravity altogether, like he can fly, although I think Nomura on purpose made the actual trajectory believable (yes, I know people can't teleport. I'm talking about when he's essentially in "free-fall" >.>;)

I think the rising into the air is a pretty divine aspect. He might as well be able to fly.

But all these "divine" power elements are directly associated with war and killing. I think the trailers are trying to suggest the crystals as a divine gift upon mankind that has been turned into a dark weapon of war in the face of the situation humans created themselves, while still maintaining its appearance of holy origin.

Anime and Japanese RPGs love to depict divine beings and things as darkened by the corruption of human hearts.

When I saw the first trailer, my first impression of the protagonist's eye color-change at the end was that it was a kind of "War-makes-me-evil" suggestion. He manifests his divine weapons in reaction to being confronted by armed soldiers. Sort of also blends definitions of good and evil when the holy and sacred are devices for massacre and retribution.

More closely (or maybe not...) related, I feel like Versus' Crystals are less of a departure from traditional crystals than FFXIII's. o.o; These (Versus) seem to be a source of power from which humans draw. FFXIII's seem more sentient and capable of independent action, at least so far.

Terros
Dec 27 2007, 05:05 PM
I basically put down some important events in the order that they'd probably fall in. It's not meant to be specific just to give us a general outline to follow when making theories. The fact that is that since the crystal is the LAST one (that to me discredits the theory that his weapons are the crystal because there's more than ten of them), that implies that there was more than one at one point. So we know something happened and whatever that was led up the the kingdom aquiring the last crystal through whatever means. Now we come to the prince who is the LAST heir to the throne, meaning that everyone else in the family has either been exiled, or killed (I'm gonna go with the latter). This probably happened as a result of them obtaining the crystal. All the other characters will fall into place once we're given more info on them, and have some idea what is actually going on.

I agree with the theory that the crystal is giving the prince his power. Which is why protecting it is so important. And I think there's a even deeper bond between him and the crystal and maybe even some other characters.

Basically we know that the crytal ties everything together, so find out more about the crystal and everything else will fall into place. Remember Square already confirmed that the FFXIII games will revolve around the crystal mythology, and Nomura said the theme of versus was "bond".

razenhavoc
Dec 27 2007, 05:06 PM
Has any noticed the discrepancies with the soldiers? I've read on many sources that life outside the city resembles Medieval life, and yet these soldiers are equipped with state of the art guns and semi-futuristic armor. If they have come far enough to develop these then I think they would have been able to develop a device that will at least lessen the effects of the crystal for a short period of time.

Terros
Dec 27 2007, 05:09 PM
I think they do have such device, they just have yet to use it. Maybe it's still being developed, or they gave to get close enough to the crystal to use it.

Maiya Saiyado
Dec 27 2007, 11:04 PM
I think there's definitely a feeling of the "Chosen" to the protagonist in the trailers we have seen. The really shimmery, radiant magic motes that surround the protagonist when he's using his weapons, the really shimmery sounds... the momentary "suspended" effect that you get when the protagonist teleports straight up, and his velocity hits zero before he starts to come down with gravity, really seems to be defying gravity altogether, like he can fly, although I think Nomura on purpose made the actual trajectory believable (yes, I know people can't teleport. I'm talking about when he's essentially in "free-fall" >.>;)

I think the rising into the air is a pretty divine aspect. He might as well be able to fly.

But all these "divine" power elements are directly associated with war and killing. I think the trailers are trying to suggest the crystals as a divine gift upon mankind that has been turned into a dark weapon of war in the face of the situation humans created themselves, while still maintaining its appearance of holy origin.

Anime and Japanese RPGs love to depict divine beings and things as darkened by the corruption of human hearts.

When I saw the first trailer, my first impression of the protagonist's eye color-change at the end was that it was a kind of "War-makes-me-evil" suggestion. He manifests his divine weapons in reaction to being confronted by armed soldiers. Sort of also blends definitions of good and evil when the holy and sacred are devices for massacre and retribution.

More closely (or maybe not...) related, I feel like Versus' Crystals are less of a departure from traditional crystals than FFXIII's. o.o; These (Versus) seem to be a source of power from which humans draw. FFXIII's seem more sentient and capable of independent action, at least so far.

I liked the feel it gave when he free fell from the palace, too. So far, since the prince is the only character shown (that's important minus the soldiers) I think it's meant to make him look superior and all... But we haven't seen the other characters. I doubt that the Shotgun Guy will have a feel or appearance as such, but I'm getting the feeling that Veruko and the robed figure might.

I really do like your theory though. Being blessed with 'holy' powers and using it for things such as killing. It's sort of like juxtaposition, though it's not placing scenes in contrast to each other.

I never thought that the crystals were used for human powers or rather from which humans draw power. Since you know that Veruko and the robed figure uses powers similar to the prince it seems and the prince is the only one who has a crystal. But now from what you've said, I'm starting to really wonder what kind of person the prince really is. Not like just characteristics but what he's actually like...

I basically put down some important events in the order that they'd probably fall in. It's not meant to be specific just to give us a general outline to follow when making theories. The fact that is that since the crystal is the LAST one (that to me discredits the theory that his weapons are the crystal because there's more than ten of them), that implies that there was more than one at one point. So we know something happened and whatever that was led up the the kingdom aquiring the last crystal through whatever means. Now we come to the prince who is the LAST heir to the throne, meaning that everyone else in the family has either been exiled, or killed (I'm gonna go with the latter). This probably happened as a result of them obtaining the crystal. All the other characters will fall into place once we're given more info on them, and have some idea what is actually going on.

I agree with the theory that the crystal is giving the prince his power. Which is why protecting it is so important. And I think there's a even deeper bond between him and the crystal and maybe even some other characters.

Basically we know that the crytal ties everything together, so find out more about the crystal and everything else will fall into place. Remember Square already confirmed that the FFXIII games will revolve around the crystal mythology, and Nomura said the theme of versus was "bond".

Couldn't the crystal have been in the prince's family's possession the whole time though? They just managed to protect it better than everyone else?

I still think that the crystal doesn't really give the prince his powers. I've stated before that Veruko and the robed figure have powers and since the prince is the only one who has a crystal it kind of contradicts that theory. Though, maybe a person doesn't have to lose their powers even if a crystal is gone.

Well... The crystal... Or the myth? Because I thought it was the myth that backed everything up, maybe the crystal could just be apart of it. Because usually, stories with myths are usually backed up by them. Like pissing off the Gods by not following their will would mean an eternity of suffering for you. I'm thinking of something different for this game, but it would follow a myth, not like the Greeks though.

Blackrazor
Aug 25 2008, 12:15 PM
I dun think that he's actually thinking, but he is sleeping..and maybe dreaming?
Maybe he can't stay awake for too long?

CaptainCortez
Sep 07 2008, 01:50 AM
Who knows?

The story could be based around a huge conspiracy, and the Prince could in fact be a very nice and honourable person, but the guy in the jump festa trailer, sitting at the end of the table could be trying to turn everyone against him, and overthrow him for the crystal?

So, the guys outside could all be working for the table guy (looks like a big boss of some corporate company.......you should know who I mean), and they could all be hired gunmen to kill the Prince, due to this boss man looking relatively wealthy.

Hmm, and at the same time, he could be trying to portray the prince ot the public as being a very very bad person, even though at heart, the prince could be a very good man.

Also, maybe he's depressed because everyone who he knows and loves dearly, including his friends could have been killed off, and he's starting to realise that he's next, and could begin thinking "well, is this all worth it?"

Dunno, just something I thought could be going on.......and one question; Is his name really Storm, or is that just a fan name for him?

Sounds cool anyway. "There's a storm approaching" ;)

Nayu
Sep 07 2008, 02:03 AM
Oh, wow. Actually, that sounds like an interesting idea. It sounds like a really good one--the prince being the crystal. Though, we wouldn't know what the pillar would be for. =_=
piller would be a decoy :V

SquallEX
Sep 15 2008, 04:46 PM
Every final fantasy game that I've played have party.They fight n do things together.So,the prince can't probably be alone.

Moklin
Sep 15 2008, 08:42 PM
The eyes colur change only in the first trailler( i think)
I never thought about this, maybe his duty is to protect the crystal and he have to pass all day there watching and protecting it. Its boring.
Maybe the story will start to the crystal being stolen and he leaves tha castle lloking for it.

xkeyblademasterx07
Sep 16 2008, 11:36 PM
yea i think he is guarding the crystal, its like his job as prince maybe
thats why is was sitting on the throne waiting incase any enemies show up

p.s. i have also heard from a site that the prince's country holds the last crystal so everyone wants it. the prince's country and another major country were signing a treaty but soldiers started invading the city

Interficio Nocte
Sep 17 2008, 12:06 AM
yea i think he is guarding the crystal, its like his job as prince maybe
thats why is was sitting on the throne waiting incase any enemies show up

p.s. i have also heard from a site that the prince's country holds the last crystal so everyone wants it. the prince's country and another major country were signing a treaty but soldiers started invading the city

What you heard is called speculation. Thats not official.

Although that is a popular theory.

BlackPeaceNow
Sep 28 2008, 03:43 AM
Wow, I hadn't ever really thought about that nodding off part in the beginning! It really does seem like he's dreaming...

Aww... Poor prince. He dreams of being kickass and awesome when in reality he's just a "level 1 noob that can barely jump". XD

Cactus Girl
Sep 28 2008, 04:32 PM
As I said on another topic after observing his eye twitching while he is sleeping, maybe he is having a nightmare. And why not, the whole battle could be just part of his nightmares. That would explain a few things and could be used by Nomura to make us play him as a level 1 noob that can barely jump, despite we all getting impressed by those moves in the CGs.

And maybe when he sees his dead friends/allies/whatever on the ground, this could be some kind of premonition?

IBeatSephiroth
Sep 30 2008, 07:18 PM
It didn't even occur to me that he might be dreaming about fighting that regiment. It would work out as a good excuse for Squenix to get us worked up about a cool, powerful character then hand us the control of a weak kid who does next to no damage.

Working on the above, what if the crystals can cause dreams and premonitions? Also, I don't get why he's sleeping on a throne instead of in a bed. xD

Naunen
Sep 30 2008, 11:24 PM
It didn't even occur to me that he might be dreaming about fighting that regiment. It would work out as a good excuse for Squenix to get us worked up about a cool, powerful character then hand us the control of a weak kid who does next to no damage.

Working on the above, what if the crystals can cause dreams and premonitions? Also, I don't get why he's sleeping on a throne instead of in a bed. xD

----'cause everyone's out to get him and the throne is power too. :rolleyes: About the sleep thing.... we speculated that out months back. >o<