Cloning

[Nagase]

Not sure if a thread on this has been made yet, the search bar was oh so far away.

apart from the inevitable religous rants, what are your opinions on it?

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I personally believe that if and when cloning can be done 100% correctly, that it would be a massive breakthrough in everyway.

Medically, they could grow single organs for replacements.

Say a man and a woman want a child, but the woman is miecially unable. They don't want to adopt because they want the child to be their own. well, they could simply take the dna from the lbokes jizz and make a perfect child.

Food: Third world countries could be given the means to produce cloned food on a mass scale. It would take a very long time but eventually it could wipe out starvation.

Armies: They could also make an army of multi-limbed fighting killing machines obivously cloned form Bernie mac <3

[Rophage]

I do believe you can already grow organ replacements? AT least parts of them...

Oh and have you heard of IVF?

Cloning should have more studies done into it though I agree, in my opinion abortion is not wrong *ducks down behind wall as hail of rocks come* and so it would be a bit hypocritical of me to say taking stem cells is wrong. I fell that the benefits outweigh the sacrifice of technically not alive lump.

*Waits for sound of rocks to die away*

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*Gets up and is smacked in face by rock*

[Halfmetal]

The BMA believe it would be immoral to clone a human being if it were for organs.

Food: Third world countries could be given the means to produce cloned food on a mass scale. It would take a very long time but eventually it could wipe out starvation.

That wouldn't work. It would be too expensive for peasant farmers to do that, and besides, we have the corrupt governments to deal with first if we really want to make a long term effect.

[Rekhyt]

The BMA believe it would be immoral to clone a human being if it were for organs.

I think it's more like growing a single organ, not growing the whole body then removing the desired organ. If that could be acheived it would remove most of the moral issues as the organs wouldn't be sentient.

That wouldn't work. It would be too expensive for peasant farmers to do that, and besides, we have the corrupt governments to deal with first if we really want to make a long term effect.

If reasearch into cloning was allowed to advance it would eventually become cheaper. The only major problem would be the lack of diversification making the livestock more vunerable to diseases and environmental changes. Then again even if those things killed off the livestock you could always clone more.

[Halfmetal]

I think it's more like growing a single organ, not growing the whole body then removing the desired organ. If that could be acheived it would remove most of the moral issues as the organs wouldn't be sentient.


That would take quite a while. Cloning the organ would require having a small sample from each, which requires SURGERY! But that's not so bad i suppose.


If reasearch into cloning was allowed to advance it would eventually become cheaper. The only major problem would be the lack of diversification making the livestock more vunerable to diseases and environmental changes. Then again even if those things killed off the livestock you could always clone more.

Cloning food is really a short term I think. We have to make it so that they can stand on their own two feet and become more developed. They need trade.

[bradley]

I heard about this company that apparantly was bragging about having cloned a human being but there was no prof that they did and so on one really knows.

[Misschoco]

Medically, they could grow single organs for replacements.

Say a man and a woman want a child, but the woman is miecially unable. They don't want to adopt because they want the child to be their own. well, they could simply take the dna from the lbokes jizz and make a perfect child.

They already have been able to grow single organs,I don't know if its a progressive thing though.For the latter, designer babies is a good subject to revise. Its controversial but my be put into practice soon but its not actually cloning <<

As much as im for cloning I'd like to review some issues on human cloning.
Cloned humans might be harmed by its own creator and more easily disregarded with no value.i.e a violation of human rights for the clone.Human clones may even be created for entertainment and personal desires yet again not regarding the clones rights.Human clones could overall be used as guinea pigs.Overall at the moment cloning is expensive and highly inefficient and many procedures would be needed to create just one viable clone.There is also a very large potential for mutations, and transmission of diseases within clones.

Some countries have already passed total bans on human cloning. But are the bans total or do they just monopolize the knowledge?

[AT23]

I think some scientists have successfully managed to "grow duplicates" or clone organs like liver, pancreas, and kidneys... I was reading an article in the library the other day and they haven't made advancements to hearts or lungs yet... but if they could it would probably save many lives which would be nice. Also, of the patients that had the transplants with the duplicate organs they haven't had the problem of "rejection", because the duplicate organ are made from samples of their original organs.

As for Cloning, I think it would be creepy to have a double of myself... I can't see the actual cloning of whole people becoming a reality for a long time because of "morality" and political issues.

[Devious]

We're actually studying this in science. Apparently, every time a cell divides it loses one of this thing in it's DNA called a telomere. Both the daughter cells have the orignal cell's number of telomeres-1, so if the embroyo had 1 billion telomeres, the two cells after it divides would have 999,999,999, and all four cells that come from those two would have 999,999,998, etc. That's pretty much why old people heal slower and get all pruney and stuff.

That's also why clones made from an adult can only live for a very short amount of time before dying. The cell used to make the clone doesn't have a full set of telomeres, so it won't be able to go through as many cell divisions, causing it to age faster. So if we're able to find out how to add telomeres to DNA, we could theoretically create perfect clones and make ourselves immortal.

That's so cool.

[Misschoco]

As for Cloning, I think it would be creepy to have a double of myself... I can't see the actual cloning of whole people becoming a reality for a long time because of "morality" and political issues.
I wouldn't say that people would clone themselves to create such a duplicate that practically it would be like having a twin.Cloning person could be to revive that persons personality/persona if they have deceased etc.There would also be replacement cloning which mean the replacement of an extensively damaged,failed body through cloning.


That's also why clones made from an adult can only live for a very short amount of time before dying. The cell used to make the clone doesn't have a full set of telomeres, so it won't be able to go through as many cell divisions, causing it to age faster. So if we're able to find out how to add telomeres to DNA, we could theoretically create perfect clones and make ourselves immortal.

That's so cool.
Many people still question the ethical implications of a clone being destroyed or dying after the initial cloning stage.If your talking about cloned embryo's then I personally wouldn't consider it un-ethical to destroy it after a couple of days,seeing as I wouldn't percieve it as a complete human.

[steeld]

it's hard to imagine a clone of yourself, with the same feelings that you have...
but other then that, it might be a bit cold-hearted, but destroying them while they are embryo's and stuff, i agree. It's best to destroy them before they get the chance to "experience"

[Allen Walker]

I really don't see anything wrong with cloning, it sounds rather cool though having a copy of yourself.

[Devious]

it's hard to imagine a clone of yourself, with the same feelings that you have...
but other then that, it might be a bit cold-hearted, but destroying them while they are embryo's and stuff, i agree. It's best to destroy them before they get the chance to "experience"
It doesn't have the same feelings as you. Your feelings are greatly affected by your environment, and no matter how hard you try, you can't replicate your enviornment and make your clone the same.

[steeld]

It doesn't have the same feelings as you. Your feelings are greatly affected by your environment, and no matter how hard you try, you can't replicate your enviornment and make your clone the same.

True, but they will react to their environment, just like how you would react if you were in that environment. You could say they are "taking a different path" or something, i think you get what i mean =P

[Misschoco]

It doesn't have the same feelings as you. Your feelings are greatly affected by your environment, and no matter how hard you try, you can't replicate your enviornment and make your clone the same.
The only things that would be exactly the same are the genes,dna and physical looks-but I still think there would be some form of their persona which would greatly if not exactly be the same as yours-by that I mean some part/form.Theres still the concern regarding the protection of the identity of the individual and the right to protect ones genetic identity.But I agree with your statement that feelings are affected by whats around you and can't be replicated.

[SirBaron]

Well, if i got the chance to clone myself, i would tell the clone to:

1: Go to school in my stead so that i can waste even more time re-running FFVII (or write some sense in my damn novel).
2: Tell him to level up my characters so that i can go to school and actually learn something. (not as likely, as i wouldn't have the option to write my novel in school)

And if i get home and hears he failed to kill Ruby in 25+ attempts, i'll whoop his ass and do it myself, at which i too would fail at because i always use way wrong tactics. Overloading Barret's Missing Score with 2+ mil AP plus 4 Hero Drinks did NOT do the trick *sigh*.

Btw, i would like to know why people thing it is immoral to clone human beings.

[Misschoco]

Well, if i got the chance to clone myself, i would tell the clone to:

1: Go to school in my stead so that i can waste even more time re-running FFVII (or write some sense in my damn novel).
2: Tell him to level up my characters so that i can go to school and actually learn something. (not as likely, as i wouldn't have the option to write my novel in school)

And if i get home and hears he failed to kill Ruby in 25+ attempts, i'll whoop his ass and do it myself, at which i too would fail at because i always use way wrong tactics. Overloading Barret's Missing Score with 2+ mil AP plus 4 Hero Drinks did NOT do the trick *sigh*.

Btw, i would like to know why people thing it is immoral to clone human beings.
How can I develop this? The clone inevitably/will develop a different persona from yours and a 'will' unless they are weak-minded and somehow genetically engineered to follow commands.

In answer to the question:why people think human clones will be immortal...

I think people have got the wrong Idea here in the sense that a whole human clone will be 'immortal' literally.Scientists have only managed successfully to create a line of embryonic stem cells which are 'immortal'.Immortal is on a smaller scale in cloning-immortal 'cells' are developed into any cell type in the body and will soon help treat a wide range of medical conditions.But something which contradicts what I said is that its been proposed that the progressive shortening of telomeres in somatic cells eventually results in senescence (<The part of the erosion cycle at which the stage of old age begins)I hope I made some sense<<

[bradley]

One of my friends at school did research on the cloning process and what a clone would be like and it said that the clone would not necessarily look like the thing is was made of and that it most likely will have a completely different personality and you all have made it sound as though they will come out of the cloning process at the age as the one it was made after but it will come out as a baby and will have to grow to that age.

[ozonez]

I used to think Abortion was wrong until i saw Juno (unless the film is lying) The thing has fingernails, a heart and can feel pain. Harsh to kill it when some other family could look after it.

Anyway, Cloning:

1: I believe scientists believe that Cloning could seriously fuck with the evolutionary process.

2: You couldn't create the perfect baby a baby is moulded by its surroundings and the way it is treated before it reaches the age where it becomes self-aware. If you kept a baby in a house and told it that "yes" meant "no" and that "no" meant "yes" it would say no if you asked for a cup of milk (but it would mean yes) when it grew up.

[Whiplash]

The only things that would be exactly the same are the genes,dna and physical looks-

Actually not even physical looks would be the same, unless they received the exact same nutrition, exercise, etc. as you did. The only things determined solely by genes and not influenced by environment are sex and blood type.


I learned things from biology :cookie:

[Devious]

True, but they will react to their environment, just like how you would react if you were in that environment. You could say they are "taking a different path" or something, i think you get what i mean =P
Well only during their infanthood (or whatever that's called =P)

I think it's safe to say that if you put food in front of any hungry baby they'll go for it. By they time they're one year old they'll already have experienced enough to be significantly different from you.

[Misschoco]

Actually not even physical looks would be the same, unless they received the exact same nutrition, exercise, etc. as you did. The only things determined solely by genes and not influenced by environment are sex and blood type.


I learned things from biology :cookie:

Okay physical attributes are greatly affected by our environment but still the majority of it is due to genes,if I expand on what i meant by physical looks being the same-I meant hair colour,facial shape (if their weights were consistent)eye colour,skin colour (if skin has been untainted by tanning) hair texture etc.The clone would be similar to the point(if this makes people happy)where it looks like a slightly nonidentical twin,

[AT23]

Misschoco, I think Sirbaron said "Immoral" as in "not/against moral", not "Immortal" which is "inhuman/never dying". :aldo:

[Misschoco]

Misschoco, I think Sirbaron said "Immoral" as in "not/against moral", not "Immortal" which is "inhuman/never dying". :aldo:
I could swear it said immortal at first and it was possibly changed later :nag:

I es feeling like an idiot :aldo:

[SquallEX]

As far as i know,clone have a very short life span.It's a bit cruel for them.

[topgunffx]

wtf is it with these threads popping up! lol omg i'm staying out of this one....

[Misschoco]

As far as i know,clone have a very short life span.It's a bit cruel for them.
If the nuclues transfered is pretty old then the ageing process will be affected because of the shortened telomeres because the cell would have already divided many times to copy DNA.Hell yez to biology lessons.
wtf is it with these threads popping up! lol omg i'm staying out of this one....
I wouldnt post unless you were expanding on the discussion plx.