Romance?

[Kitmitsu]

I dont know what it is about Final Fantasy games but they can make the most cliche love story and make it so it doesnt seem extremly lame, probably because the romantic scenes are often interupted by explosions.

However this game seems alot more actiony so could there be a possibility of no romance? just a "its time the save the world again" story?

[Xelien_5.0]

Well i dont think a romance on XIII would be all that great, usally when theres ay least one strong female lead it doesnt go to good in romance storlines *coughcoughX-2cough* but i would mind seeing romance in Versus :P

[Desi]

Well, the second choose is kind of undermining my already small intelligence soooo I go with that one!

Personally I rather not have romance play much if any part of the story. It hinders the game more often then not. I liked the aspect of family made most popular in FF: Tactics(also in FFV) over the badly played out love scenes between characters that had no interest in one another for 20 hours straight. Plus the elements of family adds comfort to the characters more then a simple love interest.

[Hextan]

I think that there should be some romance in XIII. But as for FFVXIII I think that there should be a little tiny love interest, but nothing major. There just won't be time with all the action that's going to be in that game.

[Xelien_5.0]

HA! i feel the exact opposite then u do! :lol:

[Hextan]

It's not that I want to disagree with you, I just feel that way. But who knows it might be the other way around... for what you said or for what I said I don't know.

[Enedok]

Versus need it. In all that dark theme he need someone.

XIII would be different, now nothing against the ladyes around here, but it will feel pretty fooky if she saves him. (I mean as she save one guy, not the entire party, that would be cool.) Unless they make something really fun out of it. But if she is a "strong female lead" does she need anyone?

[Kitmitsu]

Maybe she will be the kind of person that thinks they dont need anyone...comes across a guy (or girl...interesting idea :blink:) then has feelings for them although shes persuaded herself she doesnt need anyone. Happens in animes all the time.

All the interviews, rumours and magazine articles seem to mould into one when you setup a fansite soo I'm not sure if this is right :P. I read that Versus was going to be a complete tragedy which was supposed to leave you crying. That sounds like it could be involving romance ;)

[Desi]

That sounds like it could be involving romance ;)
God I hope not. I don't need to play through a game where the main character is blinded by lost love and rage on a path of revenge, again!

I am expecting them to do something new. Not redo the old.

[Nero_]

Yeah, I agree with that. :cunning:

[Hextan]

Someone important is going to die. Main Characters/ Hero's love interest have been killed off before.

[IstvanKovacs]

there has to be some kind of romance between some of the main characters, other wise it wont seem like FF. And if there is a romance in there somewhere I just hope they dont blow it up to massive proportions like they did with FFX, because the second choice on the poll, is also a good answer.

explosions and stuff = win

[Hextan]

I chose the first option in the poll but I would say that it doesn't make the game great just helps it out a little.

[Meia]

I don't think either that the FFXIII will contain much romance.. or I don't know, i don't know what plans Square has for this game. But when dragging conclusions from the game's trailer, I don't really think romance is a big part of the game. It looks much more like action, vengeance, power, force etc. If it would contain romance then it would somehow be similar to FFX,8 and 10-2. Those games include very much romance.

[IstvanKovacs]

I don't think either that the FFXIII will contain much romance.. or I don't know, i don't know what plans Square has for this game. But when dragging conclusions from the game's trailer, I don't really think romance is a big part of the game. It looks much more like action, vengeance, power, force etc. If it would contain romance then it would somehow be similar to FFX,8 and 10-2. Those games include very much romance.
If you remember the early trailers for FFVIII and X, neither of them had much inclination towards the romantic side of the storyline, yet both the games leaned heavily towards the romance when they were brought out.

the trouble with early trailers is they just dont show enough goddammit :'(

[Nero_]

I dont know what it is about Final Fantasy games but they can make the most cliche love story and make it so it doesnt seem extremly lame, probably because the romantic scenes are often interupted by explosions.

lulz youre basing that opinion off playing FF7 and FFX :lol: when did an explotion ever interupt a love scene as well o.O

[Meia]

Maybe you are right, the trailer doesn't show from the very beginning what the game is going to include. But, you can't say that the game includes romance by this trailer, maybe they'll do another one which will include much more romance. I really hate when it comes out too little information and we have to drag our own conclusions about everything...:(
Do you think it will include romance?^ ^

[Enedok]

lulz youre basing that opinion off playing FF7 and FFX :lol: when did an explotion ever interupt a love scene as well o.O

Don't know in FF games but I know a crapload of movies and animes that do.

[Desi]

What happened to games that includes romance but only if you sought it out? That would simply appease the people that enjoy the badly written excuse of dialog used to express love in most FF's. Whenever a character is driven by romance they become so one-dimensional.

[Yin&Yang]

I think that romance will have a very small part in the story .And if there won't be any fans will make it out, like they have done before with RikkuXTidus, TifaXReno and more.
The idea of influencing certain feelings with your actions and decisions seams fair to me...

[SummoningPrincess]

Well, so far we've only seen the trailer which really doesn't say much at all about the story (besides the sci-fi aspect of it). And we really haven't been told much but most of the Final Fantasies I've played had some type of aspect of romance within them. Some more obvious than others (VIII, X) but being a hopeless romantic, I'd like to see a small dose of romance within it. I don't think it really takes away from the story, so long as it's done in the right way. As for FFXIII, if this is the main character and she's perceived as a tough bad a** then maybe it will be someone to soften her somewhat? I think someone mentioned this possibility above. Also, we're still not even dead solid positive she is the main character. So, it could happen between two other characters even.

[Cathryn]

I had a strange dream last night... About FFXIII Female lead and the Male Character, they didn't know each other, but he was like "well i killed them ow you owe me something" just about to kiss and *blam* road blew up, and more soldiers came and then i woke up, it would of been a kick ass battle sequence in my mind.
In so going to have to do a comic on this.
It seemed so good in my mind, just not sure if it would be in the game.
Wel my minds like that, i take a fancey to a good ronmance in the FF stories, it makes it what it is, with FFVII and the love triangle. FFX with its corney whistling scene and the others that i cant remember.

[yukichi]

well a little romance to soften the suposedly female lead is a good idea in my opinion XD and i dont like the idea of man always saving the girl!! ITS TIME FOR THE MEN BEING THE PRINCESSES!!! VOTE SQUALL IN PINK DRESS!!
for versus i feel like his objectives are sooooo important he couldnt even recognize a girl when he see one HAUHuahUAhUA

sumarizing: FFXIII - small romance and FFVERSUSXIII - no romance

jesus....sorry for the bullshiet ^^;;;;

[Cathryn]

I like the fact of a strong female lead.
It does show a bit more independance in a woman instead of the reliance on men.
But my dream rocks, even dispite the fact is does contradict what i said above by women having to be saved by men, but i suited in my head.
Siting here drawing it right now infact.

[yukichi]

damn!! i get soo mad when a kiss or any romance scene is interrupted!!! XD
well...i think thats their point on doing that HAuHAUHAUhuA

[Cathryn]

I literally throw my controller around when that happens
Im like. "Damn...DAMN THEM ALL!!"
I just wan't the characters to be happy :(

[Pulse]

I hope there is some romance in both games. Thats what made both FFX and FFVII so good in my opinion, the fact that you become so emotionally attached to your character you begin to feel what they feel almost. I mean i loved Yuna to, probably not in the same way haha, and Aerith and Tifa. Both of them top notch. Also FFVIII, the whole Rinoa Squall thing was amazing, and I dont know who said it makes them one dimensional, Squall was one dimensional before he fell in love with rinoa, then he became this whole other person with many levels.
In FFVXIII i think the tragedy should involve a loved one of the main characters because me being a sadist would love him to go through some really disturbing turmoil lol.

I want to cry at these FF's for much different reasons than I am doing at FFXII right now. :(

The whole Penelo & Vaan thing in FFXII... its okay... but it sooooo should be more obvious and deeper.

Josh

[Cathryn]

It is emotional attachment.
I find it that way to, you get so attached to the character you practically know them or do feel like them, and your practically screaming for something to happen between these two characters.
Theres something there and you know it, but they don't and i can't but think "God damnit!!"
Then it happens and you can't help but feel god damn happy it happened.
But with FFXII i wasn't really screaming, Penelo obviously liked Vaan, hense the "Let go of VAAN!" She did pratically mention him in all of her sentences.
Kind of found it annoying.

Id love romance to be intergrated into the game, it just makes it somehow 10 times better that way.
With FFvsXIII Square have said its going to be a dark game, even though it shows no sign of affection etc... it will most likely still be a great game.
I don't mind depressed "I need a taco" games, they're great as well, but id still like romance to be placed into it at any given chance.

But with some of the idea's some people have said, it sounds great.
^_^

[Lifrasthir]

I kinda do wanna see romance in XIII and kinda don't. It seems as though Square Enix has a repetitious love story in a lot of the Final Fantasy games. I don’t wanna see the kind of stuff like in X and X-2. I’m thinking if they do have romance it should stay to the minimum love triangle. It’s love angst! ^_^

[Sidderz]

I think that if XIII is to encompase love then it should be suttle and maybe just mentioned at and just played with a little. Maybe with Lightining being horrible to another male character in a almost "playful" way, without losing her cold exterior.

As much as I thought the love thing in X & X-2 was nice, I don't want to see it in XIII for some reason.

Versus XIII however I would, I think with such dark and almost "cold" trailer; we can expect the game to be much the same so I think that perhaps this character could use some love.

[Yurian]

Romance is one of the highest forms of bonding. Saying that, bonding will be an integral part of both stories: it's necessary because in the isolation of taking upon a large burden amidst an ignorant or uncaring world, the characters need to depend and trust each other no matter how conflicting their personalities may be.

Perhaps romance may not be the form of bonding that will take place in the games, but because it's such a powerful - and popular - method of character interaction and character-player interaction it's highly possible (from our/fate-less perspective) that it will be used.

On the other hand, friendship could be another outcome. Hence the fact that Nomura emphasized Versus' theme to be bonding, the main character may have lost a close friend or family member, not a romantic love. In The Iliad, one can see this close friend relationship between Achilles and Patroclus, almost to the point that one'd think that they're in love with each other.

[balthierxashe]

Hehehe...

I'd love it if there was sexual tension between Lightning and a cocky guy (i know...strong woman/cocky guy at odds, totally cliche, but whatever!), like maybe the blond guy. I think it'd be funny if they got really close a couple of times, but she always moves away, but after doing that they should give us something to hint at them being together in the end, lol

I mean, as a 'strong, independent woman' (at least, that is how everyone who interacts with me sees me...), even though I/we act like we don't need a guy, it hardly means that we wouldn't want one, you know? Like...I fight liking guys all the time, partially because of trust issues etc, partially because it makes me feel weak, but I know that if a guy sought me out a little I probably wouldn't mind so much. So I think that Lightning could be like: ignores guys a lot, but is also a little lonely and isn't immune to affection...

I'm evil so: I think for Versus he should fall in love with a girl who smiles a lot, but isn't quite....Rikku or Selphie-like. Like, she teases him but not in an annoying way, and then she DIES. lol...that'd be great. I'd get so into the game then.

Yup. Haha

[Cathryn]

It's odd how everybody enjoys a good bit of romance.

I couldn't really love a game physically that much without a gestured romance, or tension between two characters and you are dying for something to happen.
Arg i so love it, :wacky: Just something about it which makes the story more enhanced somehow.

[Omni-Cloud]

^ Completly agree with you there. I've played RPG's with out a romance...and they've sucked. I really hope this game lives up to the romance stories the past games have had. What if it didn't even have a romance....


........ O_O

[ozonez]

Zidane and Garnet was ugh. he has a freaking tail for christ sakes. THats the only romance which shouldn't be in games. Animal romance.

[Cathryn]

Or robot romance, a human and a robot.......
Yea, not even going to finish that sentence. :cunning:

*prays for a little intimacy or romance* >_<

[ozonez]

It depends with robots. That film where Robin Williams is a robot and becomes human by creating body parts is pretty good.

the bad kind is the ughwtflol kind.

[Cathryn]

Oh yea so he could be with that woman... and they grew old together or some other squiggle or tosh like that.
Not sure xD.

[ozonez]

ROBOCOCK

sorry had to do it.

[Misschoco]

*prays for a little intimacy or romance* >_<
*joins praying* as much as some people cringe at romance(some people do :crazy: ) its a vital element for a deeper story. my opinion anyways

i doubt of romance between lightning and blonde guy. i dont feel its there

[Allen Walker]

I really dont mind if there is romance in this one. If you ask me, I would prefer some romance in the game because it would thicken the plot and make you feel more for the characters/development.

[Cathryn]

I hope she at least twats him once around the face for wearing that riciulous bandana. :thumbsup:

[Desi]

I still stand by my argument.

[Allen Walker]

Well, you dont necessarliy need romance to make it great (FF6) but it would be nice because it makes the plot better.

[ozonez]

Their going for a dark setting. Like in VII (hell even one of the characters is based off of cloud) so a love setting close to VII would be good.

[Desi]

Their going for a dark setting. Like in VII
And IV, V, VI, IX, XI, etc? It can be done but I rather have a choice to do without it all together. And no multiple ending crap.

[Misschoco]

Their going for a dark setting. Like in VII (hell even one of the characters is based off of cloud) so a love setting close to VII would be good.
dont you mean versus xiii not ffxiii which this topic is in???

[ozonez]

dont you mean versus xiii not ffxiii which this topic is in???

No, Lightning is based off of Cloud and XIII is going for a dark setting.

And IV, V, VI, IX, XI, etc? It can be done but I rather have a choice to do without it all together. And no multiple ending crap.

IV was dark, V wasn't that dark, Haven't finished VI, VIII was light, IX is light and XI is online. No multiple endings ftw.

[Misschoco]

No, Lightning is based off of Cloud and XIII is going for a dark setting.


ahh i see lightning is the female version of cloud, your right on that but i still dont think xiii is meant to be the game with the dark setting its versus xiii

[Desi]

No, Lightning is based off of Cloud and XIII is going for a dark setting.



IV was dark, V wasn't that dark, Haven't finished VI, VIII was light, IX is light and XI is online. No multiple endings ftw.
V was dark, you had to ride meteors to other planets and watch each one tear itself apart because you were to late to stop it. IX is dark, you love it so I don't know why you wouldn't know that. XI is dark, it deals with racism, country betrayal, misguided belief(pulled off much better then in X), etc. And those are just the missions.

[ozonez]

ahh i see lightning is the female version of cloud, your right on that but i still dont think xiii is meant to be the game with the dark setting its versus xiii

Well, the games are based in the same world (which is the only connection) so wouldn't they all be dark? and yeah, the Character Designer stated that he had been asked to base Lightning off of Cloud in an interview. He's done an amazing job.

[Desi]

They are supposed to be different worlds. Just share the same basis as in mythology.

[Misschoco]

like desi said both games share the same mythology but are both set in different universes. xiii isnt the one with the tragic dark theme then

[Mad_Hatter]

In my opinion, I don't mind if there isn't romance in FFXIII. However, a game without emotion such as love for families or for someone special is freaking boring (for me). I prefer romance anyway ^^ but I don't really care whether there is tiny romance or huge romance ^^.

BUt for FF versus XIII... THE KING NEEDS A GIRL!!!!!!!! I would definately disappointed if there isn't any romance in the versus or just tiny romance.... It has to be a HUGE dark love story. Wait... FF versus XIII is said to be tragedy, right? Don't tell me the heroine or the King will be dead at the end of the game TT___TT

Nooooo....

[balthierxashe]

In my opinion, I don't mind if there isn't romance in FFXIII. However, a game without emotion such as love for families or for someone special is freaking boring (for me). I prefer romance anyway ^^ but I don't really care whether there is tiny romance or huge romance ^^.

BUt for FF versus XIII... THE KING NEEDS A GIRL!!!!!!!! I would definately disappointed if there isn't any romance in the versus or just tiny romance.... It has to be a HUGE dark love story. Wait... FF versus XIII is said to be tragedy, right? Don't tell me the heroine or the King will be dead at the end of the game TT___TT

Nooooo....

Romantic tragedies (done right) are the best! Talk about getting emotionally involved!

Hahahaha...I know! The king keeps a girl locked in the basement, but since he's emotionally stunted because he's just soooo badass, he only has servants feed her. But later on his servants run away, and he's just too strong to go down there and too busy, and forgets the servants are gone, so she starves, and he freaks out when he discovers it! Ah no! lol...wow, that was so weird...XD

I'm one of the few that thought Romeo and Juliet were kind of stupid. I mean, I kind of like it, but at the same time I can't help but think "Don't you think you're blowing it out of proportion a little?" XD

But if there's complete lack of romance then I'll probably get bored

[Misschoco]

Romantic tragedies (done right) are the best! Talk about getting emotionally involved!

Hahahaha...I know! The king keeps a girl locked in the basement, but since he's emotionally stunted because he's just soooo badass, he only has servants feed her. But later on his servants run away, and he's just too strong to go down there and too busy, and forgets the servants are gone, so she starves, and he freaks out when he discovers it! Ah no! lol...wow, that was so weird...XD

lets hope that doesn't happen though. i cant hate the king for that his too hot

and a game/story without a slight romance or affectionate theme kinda bores you

[Mad_Hatter]

Err... can't remember his name but one of the FFvXIII staff said that there'll probably hint of romance (not obvious romance of course)

Anyway, back to FFXIII. Lightning is so strong... maybe the blond-haired guy is her lover XD He looks so cool

[balthierxashe]

lets hope that doesn't happen though. i cant hate the king for that his too hot


lol...he is pretty hot, but he's pretty emo too, XD

[_Versus_]

Err... can't remember his name but one of the FFvXIII staff said that there'll probably hint of romance (not obvious romance of course)

Anyway, back to FFXIII. Lightning is so strong... maybe the blond-haired guy is her lover XD He looks so cool


His name is mr.33cm :D Yes he looks so cool ;)

[Cathryn]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9775/ffxiii9rl2.jpg

I actually think they may not know each other ;) sad but true.
check out his background, its like....yea that XDD.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6669/ffxiii12kw5.jpg

Her background basically the same but out of focus, possibly after the mass brawl of the soldiers she corners him or some shizzle.
Because nobody really stands like that against a soldier, i know i wouldn't, but hellz if it was somebody who came in on a badass motorcycle, yes i would be like "wtf mate?"
I dont know, its just my morbidly retarded opinion.

[soul]

Yeah.. I want romance in this game, and maybe even a tragedy at the end to leave us with a taste for more. I missed a love story so much in FFXII..

[Misschoco]

lol...he is pretty hot, but he's pretty emo too, XD
the stereotypical emos cut themselves and listen to screamo music. versus guy showed no indication of this.plus his not depressed he was clearly sleepin/resting on the throne in the trailer

but yh his *hot*

about romance in ffxiii. maybe lightning and blonde guy had a past fling but lightnings grown more serious and blonde guy continues his joke antics

[Cathryn]

Old time fling?

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/879/kh2whatacloudwantsbydemqs3.jpg

Sorry, had to, i love that comic, made me crease and still does XDD.

Possibly, maybe shes turned Absinent (can't spell XD)

I can't really make any judgements, well i could, and i have, but they arn't nessacerally true, damn Square and there lack of public information =[

[Misschoco]

haha hilarious ^

[Flint]

I'd like to see romance in FFXIII as long as it's well written and believable and doesn't resort to using too many cliches. It would be good if it had a tragic conclusion aswell, just to make a change from the usual happy endings.


I'm one of the few that thought Romeo and Juliet were kind of stupid. I mean, I kind of like it, but at the same time I can't help but think "Don't you think you're blowing it out of proportion a little?" XD


Romeo and Juliet loses all it's credibility for me when you realise that Juliet is supposed to be 13 years old and Romeo is 20 (you can check this on Wikipedia and other sites). I know they had different standards in Shakespeare's day, but there's something fundamentally wrong about that kind of age gap. If Juliet was 20 and Romeo 27 then it would be fine (same gap) but a 20 year old in love with a 13 year old? These days that wouldn't even be legal - Romeo would be arrested for paedophilia! It just kind of spoils what is supposed to be the 'greatest love story ever told'.

[Ringlets]

i still couldnt help laughing at the (to be breif) "i love you, you love me, lets kill ourselves in a crazy messed up suicide pact"

[Desi]

Romeo and Juliet loses all it's credibility for me when you realise that Juliet is supposed to be 13 years old and Romeo is 20 (you can check this on Wikipedia and other sites). I know they had different standards in Shakespeare's day, but there's something fundamentally wrong about that kind of age gap. If Juliet was 20 and Romeo 27 then it would be fine (same gap) but a 20 year old in love with a 13 year old?
I don't see the age-gap as the problem. People were much more emotionally mature back then. They could take care of a family in their teens but nowadays we have to wait to at least thirty.

I can see people thinking it's stupid because of how old it is. It doesn't fit with the times very well.

[Misschoco]

i still couldnt help laughing at the (to be breif) "i love you, you love me, lets kill ourselves in a crazy messed up suicide pact"
in order of events-they meet for 5 mins at party then decide to marry, next day mercucio?? murdered romeo kills tybalt, juliet fakes death, romeo kills self,juliet wakes up kills self too and all in the space of 2 friggin days

anything like romeo and juliet in xiii would kinda mess it up

[balthierxashe]

I don't see the age-gap as the problem. People were much more emotionally mature back then. They could take care of a family in their teens but nowadays we have to wait to at least thirty.

I can see people thinking it's stupid because of how old it is. It doesn't fit with the times very well.

That's not the reason I don't like it, I mean, the age gap does bother me a little, but then again to be fair when I was 13 people thought I was at least 18 @.@';. And yes, times were different, I'm not an uneducated hag (hah, hag...) lol

sidenote: I'm not actually offended and I don't wish to anger anyone so please don't take offense

My problem was the way in which things progressed. Even back then, five minutes isn't a realistic amount of time together (did they even have that much time) at a party to form a real bond. It wasn't love, if anything it was infatuation/creepy obsession. All their encounters were so vague...they spent more time with people who wanted to help get them married than they did with each other!

In other words, I completely agree with misschoco17.

[Flint]

My problem was the way in which things progressed. Even back then, five minutes isn't a realistic amount of time together (did they even have that much time) at a party to form a real bond. It wasn't love, if anything it was infatuation/creepy obsession. All their encounters were so vague...they spent more time with people who wanted to help get them married than they did with each other!

In other words, I completely agree with misschoco17.

You get the feeling that even if they did survive the events of the play that the relationship probably wouldn't have lasted anyway. At the beginning Romeo professes his unrequited love for Rosaline (a woman who cannot have a relationship with him due to her choosing to become a nun). Then, as we've heard, he sees Juliet and suddenly he's in love with her, even though he knows absolutely nothing about her, and completely forgets his obsession with Rosaline. It just makes me think that if he can change his mind that quickly once, he's likely to do it again if he happens to see someone else that he likes. To me he seems more like some kind of deluded stalker than a romantic hero. I agree with you, balthierxashe that it does seem to be more the case that it is a story about obsession and infatuation rather than any kind of true romantic love.

sidenote: I'm not actually offended and I don't wish to anger anyone so please don't take offense

Don't worry about offending anyone! You don't have to apologise for anything - I don't see that you've said anything offensive in any of your posts on this thread. Don't be afraid to voice your opinions, they are as valid as anyone else's here.

[Cathryn]

I actually never knew about the age gap, considering i just forgot the scripts at school and voted for us all to watch it instead.
It does make me raise my eyebrow but times change.

Romeo and Juliet never seemed to be a really good play to me, it just seemed to be a lame atempt at a 'supposed' love story, it was basically infatuation, Romeo saw Juliet at the party for the basis of a few minutes and he jumps to the conclusion its love. He just came to the conclusion it was love, but basically it was infatuation/stalker love, just like others mentioned.

What was this 'love' stretched over a week, and within that week Mercriso gets killed by Tybalt, Romeo kills Tybalt, and then when Romeo finds Paris with the vicar in that place (i cant remember lol) Romeo kills him.
Smart move.
Then he thinks she is dead and decided to go on suicide rampage and drink posion, then Juliet wakes up, finds Romeo dead and then decides to kill herself, once the families find them dead they THEN relize this family fued has gone on longer than anticipated.
Morons.
FFXIII better not go along those lines, well from the E3 Trailer i doubt it.

[Misschoco]

I actually never knew about the age gap, considering i just forgot the scripts at school and voted for us all to watch it instead.
It does make me raise my eyebrow but times change.

Romeo and Juliet never seemed to be a really good play to me, it just seemed to be a lame atempt at a 'supposed' love story, it was basically infatuation, Romeo saw Juliet at the party for the basis of a few minutes and he jumps to the conclusion its love. He just came to the conclusion it was love, but basically it was infatuation/stalker love, just like others mentioned.

they set a new world record for the fastest marraige


FFXIII better not go along those lines, well from the E3 Trailer i doubt it.
like i keep saying they might of had a past fling and like Cathryn said telling from the e3 trailer its easy to tell ffxiii wont go along these lines

[balthierxashe]

You get the feeling that even if they did survive the events of the play that the relationship probably wouldn't have lasted anyway

Don't worry about offending anyone! You don't have to apologise for anything - I don't see that you've said anything offensive in any of your posts on this thread. Don't be afraid to voice your opinions, they are as valid as anyone else's here.

Yeah, so true. They'd probably be happy for maybe a week and then go "oh."

Thank you :)

[DragonFly]

I don't know why, but I want to see a homosexual relationship involving Lightning. Most likely it'll never happen. I only want to see something new, other than BoyxGirl. To be honest with you, I really DON'T want to see a love relationship with her and blondie there.

(lol i barely post)

[Misschoco]

I don't know why, but I want to see a homosexual relationship involving Lightning. Most likely it'll never happen. I only want to see something new, other than BoyxGirl. To be honest with you, I really DON'T want to see a love relationship with her and blondie there.

(lol i barely post)
but then you'd see enraged ff fans-it would ruin the game:crazy:

[DragonFly]

but then you'd see enraged ff fans-it would ruin the game:crazy:Why would it ruin the game? It would only ruin the game if many (like...70%+) FF fans are homophobic. But MOST are not homophobic ... *cough*YAOI*cough*

[balthierxashe]

Why would it ruin the game? It would only ruin the game if many (like...70%+) FF fans are homophobic. But MOST are not homophobic ... *cough*YAOI*cough*

I don't think it's really about being homophobic...I wouldn't like it because I can't connect with the characters because I'm not gay. Also, I'm all for gay rights and everything, but I just don't want to see them kissing. I generally don't like PDA at all, but that would just ruin the game for me *shrugs*

[DragonFly]

I don't think it's really about being homophobic...I wouldn't like it because I can't connect with the characters because I'm not gay. Also, I'm all for gay rights and everything, but I just don't want to see them kissing. I generally don't like PDA at all, but that would just ruin the game for me *shrugs*
What about the gays and lesbians who has to see the kissing scenes? We don't hear them saying "we can't connect with the characters". Many are able to connect with them anyway. I can connect with any character, male and female. Their sexual orientation doesn't make it any different to nor other people I know. Also it doesn't exactly "need" to have kissing scenes. They could just show the romance, but without making it obvious (like little "cute" moments...).

[Kitmitsu]

I can see what you're getting at. Not a full homosexual relationship but just the odd feeling that their could be one between two characters. Sort of like Tifa and Cloud in VII, she never really came out with her feelings but they were there.

I wouldn't really mind what kind of relationship they put into the game but I'm not sure if Square would go all out on an obvious one because it could be a bit of a shock to their audience :P Of course two guys will make guys cringe XD

[Desi]

There are no official Gay marriages in FFXI. Take that as you will.

[DragonFly]

There are no official Gay marriages in FFXI. Take that as you will.
There's no same-sex marriage nor same-sex unions in Japan. I could see why there's no official gay marriage (haven't played it... i never knew people could marry in the game O.o) But there's a law to stop any discrimination against homosexuals. It's pretty much more accepted in Japan.

(lawl I always get off-topic)

[Flint]

I don't think Square would put a homosexual relationship as the main romantic element of an FF game mainly because as Kitmitsu says, it would be too much of a shock to the core audience. Personally I don't care if someone is straight or gay, it's whether they're a decent person that counts and that's irrespective of sexuality. It's just that I don't think the world is ready for 'Final Brokeback Mountain Fantasy XIII' (or whatever).

[DragonFly]

It would only shock the audience if:
1-If the audience are close-minded (Homophobia)
2-If they make it extremely cheesy *cough*Enchanted Arms*cough*
3-If they make it very obvious (i.e.: They kiss, they reveal their feelings out in the open)
I don't see why Square wouldn't include it as the main romantic element of the game. At least it would be different than the very obvious Boy falls in love with Girl. Because even from the start people know they're going to end up together. So why not spice it up a bit? Though it is sexist, but homosexual women tend to be more accepted then men. So basically they could start with Lightning, if it doesn't affect the audience much, then creators might become more open to the idea.

As I said, most likely, it'll never happen...

[Misschoco]

i dont have anything against gays.but like balthierxashe said you wouldnt be able to connect with them.

It'd also provoke outrage from parents :D

[DragonFly]

What about the gays who plays FF? I know quite a few, they don't have any problems connecting with the characters. So that argument/statement doesn't work.

(Let's be honest, if parents are buying their kids GTA, do you really think they care what's in the game?)

[Kitmitsu]

They would if you go into the deep south :P

There are probably alot of gay people who play FF but its just a minority of their audience. What would be annoying is if they had a really really camp gay character in the game...can't stand the way alot of them act :P Also that guy who sounds camp in Enchanted Arms is gay!? I've seen some trailers and thought he sounded really camp but I didn't think he was actually gay.

[DragonFly]

I only used Makoto as an example (I'm pretty sure he's gay, if I can remember) I hate how they stereotyped gay men like that... Homosexuals may be the minority (heck they're a minority in the world) But it doesn't mean we should ignore them (Like female gamers, they're a minority but we shouldn't ignore them). I've known quite a few straight guys who liked the movie Brokeback Mountain.

Which comes to show that there are heterosexuals who are ready to see homosexuality in games and movies (of course it's what I've seen and heard). The only people I know who don't accept homosexuality are those who are 100% religious, or people who are close-minded.

[balthierxashe]

I only used Makoto as an example (I'm pretty sure he's gay, if I can remember) I hate how they stereotyped gay men like that... Homosexuals may be the minority (heck they're a minority in the world) But it doesn't mean we should ignore them (Like female gamers, they're a minority but we shouldn't ignore them). I've known quite a few straight guys who liked the movie Brokeback Mountain.

Which comes to show that there are heterosexuals who are ready to see homosexuality in games and movies (of course it's what I've seen and heard). The only people I know who don't accept homosexuality are those who are 100% religious, or people who are close-minded.

I didn't like the movie because they seemed to be in more of an emotionally abusive relationship, and it didn't really seem like love to me. Not to mention they trample on everyone else's feelings and don't seem to care very much.

*and before you think it's because they're gay: it's not. I like TV shows like Brothers and Sisters and think it's fine to watch gay people interact just like the rest of us (because outside of being gay, they are just like us, they aren't a different species). I think it's a good idea to do it like that, because people will be able to get used to it more. I didn't like it when they turned Xena gay because I believe you're born gay and it just didn't fit with the rest of the show. I'm all for gay relationships in movies and shows, but just like straight relationships, it's how they play it out and how credible they make it that my liking of it depends on.

Well, I'm not 100% religious, and if you said that I was close-minded to anyone that knows me, they'd ask if you're crazy. And I actually don't mind seeing guys kiss, I mean, I'd prefer not, but I can handle it. I don't like it when girls kiss in movies mostly because it always seems more like a way to get guys' attention--it's put into movies and the like often times to 'entertain' the guys. I have gay friends and acquaintances (and bi friends) and they're surprisingly more accepting and understanding of what I have to say than you are.

Just because something makes someone uncomfortable doesn't mean they're close-minded. I don't like to see sex scenes at all, and I hate the movies based on torture. Does that make me close-minded? I don't think it's fair to pick and choose what makes a person 'close-minded' or not.

As others have said, the core audience would probably not like that. To be honest, I wouldn't mind some of the characters being gay, but I wouldn't want the main character to be.

I think all of your points, like saying that anyone who doesn't want the main character to be gay must be either 100% religious or closed-minded, are gross generalizations, and are insulting to the intelligence and opinions of others outside of your close-minded thoughts.

Making such black and white statements like you are are much more typical of close-minded people than of people who are accepting of all people and are 'open-minded'.

You shouldn't be so judging, it's unbecoming of you.

[DragonFly]

That's not exactly what I meant by close-minded. Mind you I'm bi and I'm not the kind of person who "understands" other people (especially over the internet O.o) When I meant close-minded and 100% religious, I meant homophobics. What I'm seeing, you are not homophobic. I have to apologize first, since it's just that I have experienced too much homophobia in classrooms. So I might sound like I'm ranting too much. People who don't feel comfortable seeing homosexuals kissing is natural, simply because we're still not use to see it (and something else, but i'm too lazy to explain it, my english fails). I don't feel comfortable about anybody showing too much affections in public. But I guess I'm just kinda tired of everything... Besides, as I said BEFORE... They'll never put in a homosexual character anyway.

[balthierxashe]

That's not exactly what I meant by close-minded. Mind you I'm bi and I'm not the kind of person who "understands" other people (especially over the internet O.o) When I meant close-minded and 100% religious, I meant homophobics. What I'm seeing, you are not homophobic. I have to apologize first, since it's just that I have experienced too much homophobia in classrooms. So I might sound like I'm ranting too much. People who don't feel comfortable seeing homosexuals kissing is natural, simply because we're still not use to see it (and something else, but i'm too lazy to explain it, my english fails). I don't feel comfortable about anybody showing too much affections in public. But I guess I'm just kinda tired of everything... Besides, as I said BEFORE... They'll never put in a homosexual character anyway.

mmk, yeah. They might have hints like they did in FF7 lol

[Desi]

I liked Makoto. He made all the jokes work at the beginning of the game. Nothing beats Yuki's "Yeah Baby!" line though.

[Flint]

The problem with any overtly sexual content in a game (either heterosexual or homosexual) is that it will automatically raise the age rating of that game. Square always try to keep the age ratings for the FF series relatively low, enabling the games to be played by as many people as possible (and in turn, make as much money as possible). It's the same reason why there are never any explicitly violent or gory scenes. It just comes down to not trying to do anything that would alienate the mass audience. I know that sounds a bit cynical, but Square are a business, and businesses aim to make as much profit as possible.

Like many people here have said, if they were going to include homosexual characters, it does seem more likely that any romantic relationships would only be hinted at, and it would be very much up to the player to read between the lines. If handled correctly and with respect, this could actually work quite well.

[Sakura]

Id like to see a gay character, It would be a bit different. If they were gay it wouldnt mean they would have to be really camp.

I agree with you though Flint, it would only be a hint and not a full on storyline maker. :P

And on topic with the thread title I think a bit of Romance does well for the drama, like the MGS3 ending for example. :P

[Misschoco]

As others have said, the core audience would probably not like that. To be honest, I wouldn't mind some of the characters being gay, but I wouldn't want the main character to be.


exactly what i thought :blink:

i mean i dont think vaan was gay (for example)but he does seem like a gay pixie

[Desi]

Square always try to keep the age ratings for the FF series relatively low, enabling the games to be played by as many people as possible (and in turn, make as much money as possible).
They said they probably have to change the age rating of FFXI in the US because you can gamble on chocobo races(and special tables).

[DragonFly]

The problem with any overtly sexual content in a game (either heterosexual or homosexual) is that it will automatically raise the age rating of that game. Square always try to keep the age ratings for the FF series relatively low, enabling the games to be played by as many people as possible (and in turn, make as much money as possible).

In Europe, if you look at DOA:XBV it's rated for people over 12 O.o and why would they want to put sexual content anyway?

Like many people here have said, if they were going to include homosexual characters, it does seem more likely that any romantic relationships would only be hinted at, and it would be very much up to the player to read between the lines. If handled correctly and with respect, this could actually work quite well.

But that's what I said too "They could just show the romance, but without making it obvious (like little "cute" moments...)." Why do I always feel like people don't read my post (not just here...)

[Flint]

But that's what I said too "They could just show the romance, but without making it obvious (like little "cute" moments...)." Why do I always feel like people don't read my post (not just here...)


I did read your post, I was agreeing with you.:)

[balthierxashe]

exactly what i thought :blink:

i mean i dont think vaan was gay (for example)but he does seem like a gay pixie

GAY PIXIE! Lol...yeah...he did XD

Yet somehow Penelo loves him, @.@': lol

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

exactly what i thought :blink:

i mean i dont think vaan was gay (for example)but he does seem like a gay pixie

lol his face looks kinda dirty in most of the scenes....

[Desi]

But that's what I said too "They could just show the romance, but without making it obvious (like little "cute" moments...)." Why do I always feel like people don't read my post (not just here...)
Because everyone read my old posts before yours and agreed with me?

[aldo]

Romance is ghey. This game shouldn't have any.

[Allen Walker]

Youd love it if it were 2 dudes.

[Misschoco]

Youd love it if it were 2 dudes.
homophobic ;) ?

romance or no romance as long as theres a slight element in it and not too much of it that is resembles porn then thats fine

[Desi]

homophobic ;) ?Yep he said that and even made a whole thread about Yaoi to bash it.

romance or no romance as long as theres a slight element in it and not too much of it that is resembles porn then thats fine
I LOVE THE PORN. It needs more Fran.

[Rev-SQ]

Romance. I was giddy by the time I finished watching the scene where Tidus and Yuna kiss for the first time, despite the fact that it was carried out pretty badly. I just wanted to see them kiss really bad. Dunno why, but I'm a sucker for romance.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Romance. I was giddy by the time I finished watching the scene where Tidus and Yuna kiss for the first time, despite the fact that it was carried out pretty badly. I just wanted to see them kiss really bad. Dunno why, but I'm a sucker for romance.

Ditto! It makes me sad when Cloud and Tifa didn't even hug or kiss in the movie :'(

[Misschoco]

Romance. I was giddy by the time I finished watching the scene where Tidus and Yuna kiss for the first time, despite the fact that it was carried out pretty badly. I just wanted to see them kiss really bad. Dunno why, but I'm a sucker for romance.
that kiss was carried out badly but i did feel giddy as well

hey like most of you out there im a sucker for romance :rolleyes:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Yay! Then let's make a Romance...sucker...club...? :blink: *thinking the name sounds too weird*

[sulchan]

duh there should be romance
i mean come on
the girl is like
quote yeah im sexy im all good look at these skills unquote
and the other characters are like OH SNAP SON
and they fall in lusty loveish thing
and they get in a fight and they lose the party and then they join back and what not

[balthierxashe]

lol!! Yeah, the Tidus Yuna kiss scene was funny cause all I could think was 1. Aren't they underwater? They've been underwater for a hella long time... and 2. She kind of looks like a dead retard....

don't attack me for the lack of 'political correctness'! :)

[Flint]

What annoyed me was that the Tidus in the FMV sequences looked nothing like the Tidus in the realtime scenes - their faces were completely different!

And yeah, Yuna did look sort of odd in that underwater scene...kind of hard to feel the intended emotion of the scene when the characters look so freaky!

[Misschoco]

And yeah, Yuna did look sort of odd in that underwater scene...kind of hard to feel the intended emotion of the scene when the characters look so freaky!
a touching scene gone wrong ;)

[Desi]

I liked the random flying through space....oh it was water? My bad.

[Misschoco]

oh it was water? My bad.

the water scene-slightly weird

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

They made out in water <_<
...How can they breathe?

[Desi]

Well Tidus, Rikku, and Wakka can both stay underwater for years so that explains Tidus. Now Yuna, maybe she casted shell or something...

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Pyreflies? I think that's what's in the water at blitzball games so the players can stay underwater

[Desi]

You also fought a undead boss(the bevelle guardian) underwater. No flies there, you were supposed to drown to death.

[mochaccino]

I wish this game could be like... revolution against the world slash love story slash explosions and secret murders. ... Yeah, something like that. But romance is definitely good stuffs. : D

[Misschoco]

I wish this game could be like... revolution against the world slash love story slash explosions and secret murders. ... Yeah, something like that. But romance is definitely good stuffs. : D

it most likely will be like that..........

.......except for the secret murders

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I wish this game could be like... revolution against the world slash love story slash explosions and secret murders. ... Yeah, something like that. But romance is definitely good stuffs. : D

BACKSTABBINGGG!!! Yuppy-yup-yup, can't have a catchy story without a little of that ;)

[Yuu]

Some romance but most focus on action would be perfect!

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Lots of "Ka-boom"s and "Crash"s! ^_^
*does a jig in honor of FFXIII*

[Misschoco]

Some romance but most focus on action would be perfect!
focus on action and storyline :D incorporated with romance-that would make a good story

[masamune]

Well, i think romance in this especific FF must be taken cautiously cause the main character is a female and we will be taking her role... it would be so strange if we found ourself loving another character.
According to me the story need to focus more on the questions about personality and motivation of the characters, as well as their relationship (in a sense more compelex than simple "romance")...

[Misschoco]

Well, i think romance in this especific FF must be taken cautiously cause the main character is a female and we will be taking her role... it would be so strange if we found ourself loving another character.

now that you say it.it does seem strange i'v totally removed images of romance from my head in this game..putting all the elements together...romance seems despondent in this ff

[Desi]

Well, i think romance in this especific FF must be taken cautiously cause the main character is a female and we will be taking her role... it would be so strange if we found ourself loving another character.


But there are tons of females that play these games as well. I don't get what you are saying when you say this other than "it would make men feel homosexual."

[masamune]

But there are tons of females that play these games as well. I don't get what you are saying when you say this other than "it would make men feel homosexual."

I agree with you in this point. There's a lot of females that play, but my opinion was set in my own genre. Most of the RPGs have protagonist witch are meant to represent the player in the RPG world, so playng as a woman could be strange if there were so much romance. But that doesn't mean romance can't be implemented in a way it doesn't feel strange to male or female players.
Oh, and i'm really sorry if i was rude by the homosexual conotation, really sorry, it was not my intention.

[Misschoco]

so playng as a woman could be strange if there were so much romance. But that doesn't mean romance can't be implemented in a way it doesn't feel strange to male or female players.

but the romance may not necessarily revolve around the main female protagonist-she could just be a sub story if romance was to be incorporated in the game


btw:lolz you werent rude by the homosexual connotation :P

[Desi]

I agree with you in this point. There's a lot of females that play, but my opinion was set in my own genre. Most of the RPGs have protagonist witch are meant to represent the player in the RPG world, so playng as a woman could be strange if there were so much romance. But that doesn't mean romance can't be implemented in a way it doesn't feel strange to male or female players.


That is what I mean. The same can be said since the characters are normally white I don't feel a connection. Gender doesn't play a major role in FF games, sorry to say. Since they just try to imitate teen problems and both genders, male or female go through them sooner or later.

If someone doesn't want to play because of the gender of the character they have some issues to work out. I don't think most people would feel so strange

[masamune]

Yeah, i know the protagonist is meant to demonstrate the learning and growing, the way in witch it gets more maturity along the story. When i said represent the player i was meaning represent the player in front of the problems and discovery, but i think i was a little too vague.
Bout the strange feeling i just said it would happen in the way me and my friends use to talk while playing as if we were the protagonist, cause our vision of the game world is generally refered to him (i'm being vague again), Never said it would be so strange meaning i wouldn't like the game or have fun playing it. I played FFX-2 and it was just normal play in Yuna's role. The biggest point about RPGs is how they make you feel part of the world (i could say something about how they can show a story, but couldn't say that in respect for the most genial story teller - MGS) and i won't have any problem if there were romance, since i love FF.

[balthierxashe]

which******

sorry...it was really killing me...I'm a grammar freak....I tend to try to ignore most stuff but misspellings really get me for some reasons, XD

I actually agree with Desi. I'm female and I've been playing FF's and other RPGs with the main characters as guys and they fell in love and I didn't really think it was weird at all...for me if I want to put myself in the story I like to create my own character and find a way to interject it in my head, because I just can't really pretend I'm someone else. *shrugs* but that's just me

[masamune]

which******

sorry...it was really killing me...I'm a grammar freak....I tend to try to ignore most stuff but misspellings really get me for some reasons, XD



Hehe, my english is really poor... feel free to advice-me of any major misspellings, as i said in my introduction i'm not from USA or any english talking country.

[balthierxashe]

Oh! Sorry....I didn't notice that...haha...^__^';

[Linnea/Lightning]

HEY that blond good looking guy!! he saves her all the time!! what about that!?

You don't actually need love or romance in a game!

[Allen Walker]

HEY that blond good looking guy!! he saves her all the time!! what about that!?

You don't actually need love or romance in a game!

Sorry, but what are you talking about?

[KisaraCrystal]

Well, I would love Romance in FFXIII and FFvXIII, it would be romantic, and not to mention the Versus king really need love, I mean he quite an emo guy, and I'm sorry I don't like that, he need some love. And you know what wierd, I suport wierd pairing and in my case VersusxLightning. Hey, a girl can dream can she? Ok so maybe they might not be in the same world, or country or whatever, who care have you ever hear of love across time? and she might be too much for him, but who care? I like them together and that all that matter, hey I'm not the only one who think this way, I have friend who think so too, and she rub it on me alright, I don't care what you guys say, but I support LightningxVersus. So there

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o206/KisaraCrystal/bookmark4cj4.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o206/KisaraCrystal/Thinking_of_You_by_ANDREI08.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o206/KisaraCrystal/Versus_X_Lightning_by_tayuya0822.jpg

***I did not make this, they belong to my friend***

[Ultima Star]

Lightningxstorm?..now I'm confused aren't they from different games?:blink:

[Allen Walker]

She said she supported the crossover pairing of LightningxStorm.

Storm (ugh! hate that name) isn't in FF13 so its best we keep his name out of this thread and forum.

kthxbai

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

That is indeed a weird pairing but that's not possible :blink:

...We can always dream and hope :rolleyes:

[Ultima Star]

I don't want this to be possible..:blink:

[Alphonse]

Well not really but if it happens nothing I could do about it.

[Ultima Star]

Nobody is going to be able to do something about it:'(
Wait..I'm not gonna cry..why..I forgot...this is FF XIII..whatever happens it's okXD

[Alphonse]

LOL Well I dont want romance in this game.

[Ultima Star]

Square has always add romance in their games^_^

[Alphonse]

Well I wish they dont in this game.

[Ultima Star]

It's necessary^_^

[Alphonse]

Are you being sarcastic?! Well if it is that sucks!

[Erika]

I think that there will be a little romantic... just because in everyone ff games was romantic. in ff6 there was to, but it has not been expressed precisely as in others ff. i think that in ff 13 will be something like that. in ff13 they fighting...emm can you tell me for what they fighting?

[Desi]

Read it yourself. This thread is just about romance not explaining the creatures and people you will do combat with.

[Erika]

whoa:ohmy:
maybe now understand what i strayed to say...:huh:
I think it will be some romanticparts... just because there wasnt a FF game without it , but they will not show it that much just like in ff 6
(they have a, but romantic in ff6 , not like in other ff's
For example ff 10 or 8 and i think ff 13 will be like ff 6)

PS.Desi I have't understood what you have written :huh:

[Desi]

You was questioning what they are fighting. Not why or what they are fighting for. They fight enemies like this http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/image.php?image=media/screens/unofficial/19.jpg and others from this page http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/media/screenshots.php

[Dream Machine]

I know its presumtious to speculate too much on her charecter from the small amount of media we've seen. but I just don't think lightning will be that sort of girl.

I speculate they'll be romance somewhere but not involving her. Or if it does than prehaps a more grown-up relationship then the ones we've seen so far. I love them but they do have a tendancy to go a bit over-the-top with this tru wuv stuff. I want fighting and jealousy!

[Mavericc]

well, i'm a girl and Final Fantasy is the only RPG i'm loyal to.. and i think what got me was that element of romance :wub:

so i hope it's carried on in this installment. if there is romance with our (looks like at this point) protagonist Lightning, then i think it'd be better if it's more subtle and not so in-your-face like Tidus and Yuna.

Lightning looks like she's got a military connection, so i don't think she'd be the type of girl who would have time for a full-on romance with anyone.. not when she's gotta save the world! :D
so i won't mind at all.. i mean, a little bit of something is better than 100% of nothing :nod:

[lathandien]

i think tetsuya said that she isnt feminine...

[Desi]

That doesn't kill her sex drive though.

[lathandien]

shes pretty hot too

[Ultima Star]

Well even if Nomura said that she wasn't femenine that doesn't mean that she doesn't like boys:nod:
Cos not being feminine it's not the same as don't liking boys. Feminine is one thing and romance and love is other.
She looks like a nice girl to me:D

[lathandien]

i was just saying that i didnt say she didnt like guys

[Alphonse]

She likes boys and thats that.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I think what they mean about not feminine means that she's not sissy and runs head on into battle :D

[Exodus]

There'll be romance, most likely. It's in most Final Fantasies in one or another. I just hope they don't make it as fucked up as FFVIII's romance. Good game, but the shit between Squall and Rinoa was shit.

Ten bucks goes to say she hooks up with that Seifer looking guy, and the "romance" between them will be just as, or more, fucked up than Squall and Rinoa. That or it will be more like Zidane or Garnet.

ho noez i compared ps1 gamez to ff13 :O

[Desi]

Zidane and Garnet was the only romance I could tolerate.

[Wind]

Its kind of strange to argue about romance interests when its used as a supporting theme not the main idea. Each FF brought another side to showing romance whether it be a triangle (FF7), taking it to a new height (FF8) or flat out death and rebirth (FFX and X-2). In XII romance was in the scenes, just not dug into as the previous installments.

I find it strange however that people would want something as homosexaulity in the FF series. FF itself is about telling the tale of the crystals or somewhere around those lines. To put something like it places FF in a position that it has a political statement. I doubt the developers are trying to do that since they are working on something on a more important scale.

Remember its just a fantasy game.

Also about the romance...seeing as this chick is tough I would so "LMFAO" if she fell in love with her complete opposite (not saying hes a wimp just someone who prob is an intellectual person or one that is in more for magic.). Remeber? The loner Squall fell in love with the cheery (sometimes annoying) Rinoa, then we have jovial Tidus and determined Yuna.

I believe we can expect polar opposites, at least with XIII.

[Princess Kairi]

lol I want it all! Romance, action, explosives! They're all awesome.
So I can't pick one. ;_;

[Endless]

Romance have been a part of the FF series since...Idk...but, I, for one, liked the romance aspect in FF no matter how cheesy it is, so I think SE should stick with it. It doesn't have to be the main character being in love. It could as well be another main supporter character who have all the romance.

For FFvsXIII, I agree it needed some romance. Lighten up the mood a little, u'know. :lol:

[Ultima Star]

Well yeah it's something like..'necessary' XD..lol
But yeah it's really BIG possibility that there'll be romance in FF XIII:nod:
I don't want romance on V XIII though <_<

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Well yeah it's something like..'necessary' XD..lol
But yeah it's really BIG possibility that there'll be romance in FF XIII:nod:
I don't want romance on V XIII though <_<

I don't think it's possibly in Versus anyway :(

Oh well, XIII will make up for it ^_^

[Dream Machine]

I find it strange however that people would want something as homosexaulity in the FF series. FF itself is about telling the tale of the crystals or somewhere around those lines. To put something like it places FF in a position that it has a political statement. I doubt the developers are trying to do that since they are working on something on a more important scale.

Remember its just a fantasy game.

I don't specifically want homosexuality in this game, nor do I activly oppose it. It'd be cool to explore those themes if done well, I suppose. However your comment on how this is just a fantasy game has provoked this response (that is in no way an attack, just an opposing opinion).

This game is aiming to be very polictical in nature, as has been strongly suggested by the whole way Cocoon is governed and such. FFVI, FFVII, VIII, IX, X and XII all have political themes in varying degrees of importance to the story. VII explored corpocracy (corporations acting as government), IX colonialism and X explored theocracy. Social themes usually also figure in FF games.

Now they have shyed away from anything truely controvertial like sexuality so far. However they seem to be aiming for a more grown up feel nowadays so maybe we can expect some more grown up issues to coincide? It would be interesting if Coccoon was totallitarean and similar to a Nazi state in some regards ('purity' of race, persecution of homosexuality, etc) whereas Pulse could be the direct opposite an Anarchist community where everything was allowed (which ultimatly sacrifices the protection of the state).

Opposing ideals usually spark conflict.

Remember this is heavily going to be a science-fiction game as well, and science fiction has a reputation for exploring issues of race, gender and sexuality. There is a huge sub-genre of science-fiction dealing wholy with GLBT issues :nod:

Also the just a game arguement doesn't cut it with me anymore. Video games are another form of narrative like films. As such and with vast improvements in technology they can no longer be lazy and they have to make good narratives. Plus any narrative paints this world (or others) in certain ways, they can say a lot if they want to. Anyway sorry for this rant, very off-topic :lol:



Also about the romance...seeing as this chick is tough I would so "LMFAO" if she fell in love with her complete opposite (not saying hes a wimp just someone who prob is an intellectual person or one that is in more for magic.). Remeber? The loner Squall fell in love with the cheery (sometimes annoying) Rinoa, then we have jovial Tidus and determined Yuna.

I believe we can expect polar opposites, at least with XIII.

I don't know. I'd like her with a different but not opposite person. Gotta have some commen ground to make a relationship work! :P

[Lawliet]

:giggle: And regardless how much they try and avoid homosexualty, the fangirls will find something or another to form a relationship between two male characters. (e.g. Vincent to Cid - Let's head back to our room)

I think romance is necessary on some level because it makes the characters more likable. I want to see my characters love, hate, cry, laugh and shit. Just having them being people who want to save the world for the sake of saving the world is boring to me. There has to be some human characteristics or we couldn't relate to them.

<<" Not to mention, I'm a bit of a sap for a good love story.

It will be interesting to see if they do anything to "push the envelope" or whatnot.

[Dream Machine]

I think they said somewhere this story isn't about saving the world this time, whatever that means. Romance can be a good device to spark personal conflict and explore a charecter to make them more fleshed-out and human.

What I'm really hoping for was when they refered to Mr 33cm and Lightning having a strange relationship I think they said? It would be amazing if they explored that chasm between friendship and romantic relationships. Romantic friendships interest me so much from a story perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_friendship

If anyones interested.

[xClimhazzard]

I go with 'Romance', but then again.. I want some 'Action and explosions'.. o.o; I want a balance between the two. :O That's just what I want. ; )

[Desi]

I think they said somewhere this story isn't about saving the world this time, whatever that means.Maybe they are finally understanding that saving a city, country, or nation makes a little more sense? That or evil can't truly be killed (FFT). I mean it seems the crystal Lightning is working for is doing the "evil" thing.

What I'm really hoping for was when they refered to Mr 33cm and Lightning having a strange relationship I think they said? It would be amazing if they explored that chasm between friendship and romantic relationships. Romantic friendships interest me so much from a story perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_friendship

If anyones interested.
Romantic friendships are horrible. Nothing but a fancy word for "the friendzone". They are pretty much in all FF's, since the only difference is no sexual activity.

[Dream Machine]

Yah don't get me wrong, I love the whole not saving the world angle, I'm just a bit unclear. What you say makes sense. Like I've said before I'd rather it be about opposing ideologies.


Romantic friendships can be horrible (like with two of my friends, where one fell for the other and all got a bit messy). But they can be nice as well. I wouldn't agree they have had them in FF's before. The charecters are quite distant as friends I have always thought, FFIX did friendship well I've always thought.

[Terros]

I think romance is good if they can find a balance between it and the action. Often one starts to overpower the other.

[Anny]

In a way, a romance would be good, but I still don't think of it as a main thing. I don't want romance between Lightning and someone, it would be better if some other two characters would have something, but it wouldn't be so big deal.

A balance between those romance and action, would maybe be great.

And romantic friendships.. they are horrible, or maybe sometime can work out, though I don't understand how

[vamira2.1]

It's so better if you have romance in FFXIII it just seem so right.Wouldn't you want your story full of some romance, I know I would. But on the other hand the story might come out very wrong!:'(

Please reply!!

If the sory involded romance the game will be even more thrilling than it was before in the trailer. It should have romance because who doesn' t love a good classical FF romance story.:wub::D

[Kitmitsu]

vampira, Instead of making multiple posts in a row please use the edit button.

[Lifrasthir]

Romance gets very cheesy and cliched at some point. Besides, romance seems to be in almost every storyline nowadays...I want something different! RISE ABOVE THE INFLUENCE!

I don't want a classic FF romance storyline. <_<

[vamira2.1]

What if you get tired of wanting something new and just want something old again i mean i hated FFX-2 it was wack just like FFX, i hated the romance but FFXIII might just need 4% of romance.

[Lifrasthir]

Romance gets very cheesy and corny after the first two sentences spoken. <_< Which is what I greatly dislike in media. I don't care if it's even 1%. There needs to be no romance. (If there are two minor characters that are married or something then that's fine..)

[vamira2.1]

I think i agree with you, this story does look too intense for romance, but i'm for hoping romance from FFVXIII.

[Alice]

I too am hoping for romance in this title. Not the love triangle, sickningly sweet romance that almost makes a person naseus but a sort of romance that is almost like anguish. A scenerio in which maybe one character has strong feelings for another but doesn't really want or know how to deal with it or something like that.

Actually, that almost sounds cheesy...and immature...but whatever. >.<

[Dark Vincent]

I think what would be cool would be if some character fell in love for the protagonist, but she didn't correspond said feelings because of her mission and persona, not giving in to a romance. And then the guy could sacrifice himself for her in the middle of the game giving a moment of "lulz", "wtfs" or "damns" for the players.

There, people would fulfill their fetish for game romance and we, action lovers, wouldnt be too bothered 8D~

[Whiplash]

I've said this before somewhere but I'm not sure where and it's slightly less of an effort to just retype the gist of my opinion than to go looking for it so here goes. I don't mind romance in the story. One of the great assets of the Final Fantasy series is the way that romance, action, drama, comedy, etc are all woven into the plots and characters. My favourite stories tend to be ones that mix the elements of many genres so it must come as a goddamn shock to all of you to find out that I feel this way. It just adds so much to the depth of the characters when you have these extra elements and, in an RPG, character and plot are probably the most important aspects of the game.

EDIT: I found it. Bugger.

[vamira2.1]

The Official Playstation Magazine UK says it's a neverending story, an epic tale wrapped around hours of fighting, and cROSSED LOVERS.

[Whiplash]

Dammit, sounds like Romeo and Juliet.

I hereby rename Mr 33cm, Mercutio!

[vamira2.1]

It's defintely not going to be Mr.33 cm a nd lighnting but i think it''s the pigtailed girl and Mr.33.cm.

[Destiny Angel]

Yes for the romance but a romance as long as it's not corny and cheesy. But then again...whe square do that it's always corny and cheesy. Except when one dies : D, they're just sad.

[Whiplash]

^I believe SE prefers the term "Shakespearean tragedy" to "sad".

[terek]

Romance are winning!!! HUAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, must have romance like in FFX or FF8!!! its wat give players the motivation to play the game in order to know who will the main character choose?!?!?!! LOL (like japan sim-dating game)

[Final]

Yeah, I need ROMANCE!! ^^

[OHH~EMM~GEE]

Ooooh go romance!! I agree with the others.... It's romance that makes people interested in the game.. well IMO
And I don't think it will be cheesy *letshopenot*

[Desi]

There is a better romance plot in beating my dick then reading a Square script. This discussion is full of fail.

[Thimien]

Not really much of a choice really, its from xtream to another... i like a romance, but not like FF10 or FF8, more like 7... a tragic romance, a romance that will never hpn,.... sort of Lost in Translation movie.. or he or she dies... it makes it even more powerfull.

[Misschoco]

There is a better romance plot in beating my dick then reading a Square script. This discussion is full of fail.
as much as i'd hate to agree-i agree
Not really much of a choice really, its from xtream to another... i like a romance, but not like FF10 or FF8, more like 7... a tragic romance, a romance that will never hpn,.... sort of Lost in Translation movie.. or he or she dies... it makes it even more powerfull.
or an unorthodox romance or please in ffxiii none at all-lemme give an example of crap-rinoa's and squalls ermm relationship was flat-squall is a prick.period.

[Lost Thought]

It`s hard to decide,but I chose more explosions.I`m a person who would rather see more action,but romance is also what made ffx so good.I can`t really imagine Lightning in a reltaionship,she`s seems that independent and maybe even heartless to even express her feelings.

[Pulse]

For some reason I see pigtails girl and Mr 33cm getting it on???

Josh x

[Lost Thought]

For some reason I see pigtails girl and Mr 33cm getting it on???

Josh x

Yeah maybe.I think that Mr.33cm can be a big flirt.I can just imagine that.Lightning would just ignore or kick Mr 33cm because he flirted with her.I think Pigtails girl wouldn`t mind,or won`t get that mad.

[vieya]

I don't think there is anything wrong with romance as long as it is not the main focus of the game. Little hints at it would be nice but please as much as I liked FF 10 it was a little too dramatic for me at least.

[Fantasygurl1227]

So you want romance in these game?
This is what they should do... give em stuffed animals and they can love those :]
Storm can have a panda, and lightning gets a kitty problem solved! yay for romance!
And if the protagonists are still feeling depressed, get them a trampoline, those are very entertaining. Either that or stick em on a roller coaster, Or one of those sling shot rides.... I bet it would be hard for them to be emotionless on one of those XD
Side character romance is just whatever anyways, Mr. 33 would squish the pigtailed girl :P
Seriously though if they do have romance in these games, it better just be a little tiny bit, I'm still trying to recover from that queer cut scene of yuna and tidus making out in FF X (that music made my ears bleed)

[The Whaler]

I wouldn't want any mooshy romance like there was in X, it was a bit much and to much of a love story in my opinion...I can honestly see romance in this game but hopefully not being such a huge part in the game....I mean there has always been some sort of romance in all FF games, why would they stop now??

[ShadowMagnet]

I`d love to see some romance in both XIII (esp in Versus). Not as the only main theme though :lol:

[highfive]

I AGREE ROMANCE ALL THE WAY - ITS JUST LIKE THIS HIGH QUALITY CRISIS CLIP I FOUND...EVERYONE WANTS ROMANCE

http://files.filefront.com/Crisis+Core+Memories/;9504164;/fileinfo.html

[Purple]

I woudn't mind romance, as long as its not over the top and cheesy.

Hmm...romance...*sigh*

[Exire]

Well the tall blonde guy reminds me of a wife beater so I'm sure some romance to that degree would be possible =p.

Very rarely does romance work, I find. Meaning, generally in video games, especially RPG's, and definitely in FF's. It's like George Lucas making a romance movie, its awkward, cheesy and by the end you have to throw up to get the taste out of your mouth.

It probably worked the best in FFVIII, where it was remarkably believable and you saw the change that Rinoa made to Squall over the course of the game. Of course of your a speed player then that drastic change was in twelve or so hours XD. But it has not worked well for FF after that. It was painful and not the slightest bit interesting in IX. In X it was not done all that well, I would have considered it to be more of a crush between Tidus and Yuna than anything else. Tidus had more of a romantic story with Auron then he did with Yuna. Thank God they dropped the romance act in FFXII, that was one thing with that game I was glad for. Hopefully they let go of the romance thing for good.

[Cathryn]

I could see a romance with Lightning and Mr. 33cm, if they knew each other obviously.
But it would most likely be a relationship which would be led along by Lightning, considering her nature, she would most likely lead that bitch on into a subbmisive state of sexualz :aldo:

[Sidderz]

Cathyrn had to bring it to the sexualz. ;D

[Fantasygurl1227]

yay for sexualz! XD
I don't think there will be a lot of romance considering the type of character Lightning was depicted to be. Scary b*tchy lady who tells you how it is no matter who you are :blink:

[Cathryn]

Cathyrn had to bring it to the sexualz. ;D

yez :aldo:

[Hakimichi]

Romance!!

Not saying all the way but at least
we got to see some relationship that is more then only friends.
We need some rest from after going through the action part.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

Well the tall blonde guy reminds me of a wife beater so I'm sure some romance to that degree would be possible =p.

Very rarely does romance work, I find. Meaning, generally in video games, especially RPG's, and definitely in FF's. It's like George Lucas making a romance movie, its awkward, cheesy and by the end you have to throw up to get the taste out of your mouth.

It probably worked the best in FFVIII, where it was remarkably believable and you saw the change that Rinoa made to Squall over the course of the game. Of course of your a speed player then that drastic change was in twelve or so hours XD. But it has not worked well for FF after that. It was painful and not the slightest bit interesting in IX. In X it was not done all that well, I would have considered it to be more of a crush between Tidus and Yuna than anything else. Tidus had more of a romantic story with Auron then he did with Yuna. Thank God they dropped the romance act in FFXII, that was one thing with that game I was glad for. Hopefully they let go of the romance thing for good.
THIS MAN SPEAKS WORDS OF TROOF. The bottom part especially.

Though in FFVII it wasn't so bad, because nothing was really direct and it was pretty ambiguous. It was sort of just "mentioned"/suggested and that was it to it really. It didn't really play a crucial part to the story, I found. I wouldn't mind if something similar to this happened in XIII, but I'd rather there wasn't any at all.

FF8 sucked just because of that imo. If you play the game in a certain way, the romance doesn't really work that well. Because up until a certain point of the game, you can pretty much make Squall reject Rinoa. Then lo' and behold, suddenly he's all over her feet! The transition to this was very, very poorly done, I found it to be a really mopey, 1st degree excuse for Squall to realize his lurve for Rinoa; her nearly dying, lol. |: LAAAAAAAAAAAAME.

So all in all, please drop ze sappy romance. ): At least don't make it the centre point of the story. I'd love it if it were something like FFXII. <3

[Rev-SQ]

THIS MAN SPEAKS WORDS OF TROOF. The bottom part especially.

Though in FFVII it wasn't so bad, because nothing was really direct and it was pretty ambiguous. It was sort of just "mentioned"/suggested and that was it to it really. It didn't really play a crucial part to the story, I found. I wouldn't mind if something similar to this happened in XIII, but I'd rather there wasn't any at all.

FF8 sucked just because of that imo. If you play the game in a certain way, the romance doesn't really work that well. Because up until a certain point of the game, you can pretty much make Squall reject Rinoa. Then lo' and behold, suddenly he's all over her feet! The transition to this was very, very poorly done, I found it to be a really mopey, 1st degree excuse for Squall to realize his lurve for Rinoa; her nearly dying, lol. |: LAAAAAAAAAAAAME.

So all in all, please drop ze sappy romance. ): At least don't make it the centre point of the story. I'd love it if it were something like FFXII. <3
BLASHPHEMY. The lack of romance at all in XII was one of the reasons I didn't like it. They just made it so fucking hard to squeeze any romance in there. Vaan's obsessed with Ashe and ignores Penelo, Ashe is married, Basch is Ashe's bodyguard and is like 15 years older than her, Baltheir is conceited, and Fran's of a different species. It would be really hard for any relationship between any characters except Vaan and Penelo to work, and Vaan's a fag and Penelo's ugly.

[Naunen]

More action and explosions!

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

BLASHPHEMY. The lack of romance at all in XII was one of the reasons I didn't like it. They just made it so fucking hard to squeeze any romance in there. Vaan's obsessed with Ashe and ignores Penelo, Ashe is married, Basch is Ashe's bodyguard and is like 15 years older than her, Baltheir is conceited, and Fran's of a different species. It would be really hard for any relationship between any characters except Vaan and Penelo to work, and Vaan's a fag and Penelo's ugly.
Well wasn't that the point? I always thought FFXII was more of a political driven story, rather than a character driven one.

Penolo, ugly?! How can you spout such bollocks. She looks like such a DOLL. <3 In fact, I wish I could stone her for good and have her chillax in my room for all eternity.

Yeah, Vaan's a fag. But a shirtless fag. Can't really complain on that account. :'D

And Fran's only there for the sake of getting free ass shots. What thoughtful service on SE's part. I think most of hours of playing XII is due to having a blast with that free camera.

[Misschoco]

More action and explosions!
we have and abundance in action :rolleyes:-i would say its kinda difficult to balance action and romance in perfect harmony without making the other genre a subject for intense criticism for being integrated for the damn sake of it

[Final]

I NEED ROMANCE!!!

[Zen]

We all know. Every Final Fantasy had some type of love story in it. We seen it in Final Fantasy VII. Tifa likes cloud. We seen it all throught Final Fantasy VIII. That was basicly a real story/play that happend. Squall loved Rinao since he saw her in the begining of the game and his instructor liked him. So sad he nenevr returned that love D:. Then we have Final Fantasy IX. Zidane fell in love with the princess. and thats all we need to know. Final Fantasy X same thing. Final Fantasy XII SAME ._., and why stop here? we still have Final Fabtasy XIII and Versus to go! it will happen either way or not.

[Misschoco]

We all know. Every Final Fantasy had some type of love story in it. We seen it in Final Fantasy VII. Tifa likes cloud. We seen it all throught Final Fantasy VIII. That was basicly a real story/play that happend. Squall loved Rinao since he saw her in the begining of the game and his instructor liked him. So sad he nenevr returned that love D:. Then we have Final Fantasy IX. Zidane fell in love with the princess. and thats all we need to know. Final Fantasy X same thing. Final Fantasy XII SAME ._., and why stop here? we still have Final Fabtasy XIII and Versus to go! it will happen either way or not.
true-life also works in the same way why deny games their drama :aldo: love/romance can be projected in different ways, perspectives etc you don't need a raunchy scene to satisfy this genre

[Zen]

Nopes. It will always most likely happen though.

[Misschoco]

Nopes. It will always most likely happen though.
in some form yes-if your observant enough to spot it

[Zen]

Well. It depends on how much they want to bring the romance out. They can useso little but make it noticeaable. Then then can use a whole lot like in FF8 did.

[Terros]

I don't care if there is or isn't romance, also long as it doesn't take away from the story.

[Rev-SQ]

Well I doubt there's going to be much romance now. Lightning is apparently "not very femine." I guess that means totally impervious to boyish charms. What if she's bisexual?

[xEnergie]

Well I doubt there's going to be much romance now. Lightning is apparently "not very femine." I guess that means totally impervious to boyish charms. What if she's bisexual?

Just because she's not very feminine doesn't mean she can't love :'(
Like they say, "A lady in the streets, and a freak in the sheets." :lol:

[Shuyu]

What if she's bisexual?

Then score one for me. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6336/shiftyxp5.gif

I think genuine romance isn't something that's touched upon nearly enough in games, but it's not really a medium built for that sort of expression in that it has to be very thought out and progress in such a way that it doesn't turn into the standard 'handsome prince saves the opressed maiden' type of situation, and when a company puts effort into preventing that, the romance tends to get lost behind the other aspects of the story and the characters and what have you.

Final Fantasy VIII pulled off it's love story quite well. But most of those characters were late teens, and it did play as a high school romance a fair bit. Where Final Fantasy XIII is different is that the cast is, as far as we've seen, adults. They're built like adults, they have very adult features, certainly physically, and with at least Lightning, mentally. There's this air of grown up certainty around the characters, and so any romance would play off the involved characters so much differently to Final Fantasy VIII, but also other games that had that slight romance-leaning.

The way it seems the story is being constructed... I, personally, am not sure if the situations will be able to lend to a serious romance. I think it will be there at some point, just not with much emphasis, or it will be executed in an obscure way.

To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of romance-romance at all. That said, sexual tension-romance can be both serious and used for comedy.

... Lightning/Mr 33cm secksooal tenshun plz.

[Misschoco]

lightning not being very feminine would mean shes not susceptible to dainty romance or feelings
The way it seems the story is being constructed... I, personally, am not sure if the situations will be able to lend to a serious romance. I think it will be there at some point, just not with much emphasis, or it will be executed in an obscure way.
Any romance should be obsolete in this game,like you said the emphasis probably will cease to exist the strategic should be concentrated on more than meagre romance

[Larsa]

Well I think that Square Enix is over with the romance thing so I don't think it'll happen. Although I do like it sometimes.

[Terros]

I think they're starting to get sick of romance as well. Hmmm...let's count all the FF's where romance was prominent...O.o there's a lot of them.

[Misschoco]

Instead of suggesting that theres 'romance'-sounds oh so romeo & juliet-couldn't we say that ffxiii could only include subtle flirting and a lil bit of lust

[Zen]

Well what ever happends We will like the game either way.

[BluNote]

i had such a hard time choosing haha but i'm leaning towards more romance : D it's what makes storylines all the more fun and cute to follow!

but i still love the kick-ass style that goes along with the characters <3

[Strifer]

I just love the romance in all Final Fantasy series especially between Rinoa and Squall.

[Zen]

That was a beautiful thing between them. Only