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Ringlets
Mar 02 2007, 06:08 PM
That loveable Florida scamp! Just wondered what your opinions are on him. Bearing in mind he has never actually won a case. He's just sued a hell load of people, and blame every death ever on Take-Two Interactive

Here are some wonderful quotes. The one in italics is probably the funniest, if not amazingly disturbing quote of them all. Sorry about the numbers. Couldn't be bothered to delete them


"Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise...contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair." [1]

"Honestly, are all of you gamers on drugs, or what?" - Thompson to Scott Ramsoomair [2]

"Kids don't have liberties. Do your research" [3]

" 'EGM: You once compared Doug Lowenstein, president of the Entertainment Software Association, to Saddam Hussein.
JT: If I did, I want to apologize to Saddam Hussein. Doug is a propagandist to whom the facts don't matter.' " [4]

"Are you, crazy? ... People are threatening to kill me. Either report what I have said, having been provided the emails, or stop bothering me." - Thompson to GameSpot. [5]

"You know, there are sociopaths everywhere. Some of them are in government, some of them are at TakeTwo. In fact, we got a bunch of sociopaths in Edinburgh, Scotland, sittin' around in kilts sippin' their single malt whiskey spreading racial, hurtful stereotypes in this country." Audio Link

"The Bible doesn't promote killing innocent people, Grand Theft Auto does. Islam does. Islam promotes the killing of innocent people. The Quran requires the infidel, whether Jew or Christian, to be killed. ... That's a core essence of the religion. ... Muhammad was a pirate who killed infidels and who advocated the killing of infidels. Not a nice guy. Osama bin Laden is in keeping with his fine tradition."

"The 'video game community' (what's next, 'the necromancy community'?) surely seems exercised about someone who is a 'joke' and who is accomplishing nothing. You all seem rather bothered and worried about a nonentity. God is in this battle, and I am privileged to be a foot soldier. You all should be concerned, not about me, but about Him." [10]

"You just watch. There is going to be a Columbine-times-10 incident, and everyone will finally get it. Either that, or some video gamer is going to go Columbine at some video game exec's expense or at E3, and then the industry will begin to realize that there is no place to hide, that it has trained a nation of Manchurian Children." [11]

"...Or else" [12]

"Any letter from a video gamer like you would deepen his concern. Are you actually so confused that you think gamers have any influence on anyone. Gamers are considered by normal people to be cretins. Get used to it." [13]

"Video gaming is an escapist activity and you’re being exploited by these companies. It’s not healthy; I worry about someone who would play Grand Theft Auto for ten hours a day. It’s a masturbatory activity, and it would be better if people put down the controller and went outside." [14]

"I've been on more Canadian news outlets than you've been on welfare lines." [15]

"I am a one-man violent video game wrecking crew" [16]

"If Dennis McCauley had the testicular fortitude to post my entire letter..." [17]

"I gave all this to Dennis McCauley, but apparently he was too busy freelancing a boil to report it." [18]

"California Civil Code Section 3495 enables and authorizes each and every law enforcement officer to walk into any video game store, without a court order, to seize and destroy each and every copy of 25 to Life." [19]

"One big difference between [Take Two Interactive CEO] Mr. Eibeler and me is that I'm not going to jail." [20]

"Funny how adults who are not on dope and/or immersed in games keep turning to my message, and to me, for help. It drives you little bats crazy." [21]

"At least I'm not a a coward like all of you nerds here, who hide behind anonymous avatars. How sad." [22]

"Oh, and certain regional governments in Japan have banned the sale of the Grand Theft Auto games to minors, but Japan's Sony has no problem whatsoever dumping this garbage into American kids' brains. Looks like Pearl Harbor 2 by Sony/Take-Two..." [23]

"What the Japanese are doing to our kids is insensitive and racist. The Japanese have for a very long time dumped pornography into this country in a fashion they would not tolerate in their own country. It is another version of Pearl Harbor." [24]

"GTA is a Sony/Take-Two game. It was made by Take-Two exclusively for Sony's Playstation 2. Sony has led the planet in the distribution of mainstream porn. I don't have time to document it for you. As for the offensiveness of the Pearl Harbor comment, it's accurate and it's needed. The Japanese have a contempt for our culture which is patent. There [sic] dumping of garbage into our culture is a slow motion version of Pearl Harbor." [25]

"I love the smell of burning gamers in the morning." [26]

"That's not the debate junior. That's a retail stat. You don't know the difference, huh? Gosh, I forgot. You're a gamer. You can't think for yourself. Sony and Microsoft and Take-Two have to do your cerebral stimulation for you." [27]

"As to the First Amendment, what the video game industry knows about that could be placed into a thimble with room left over for Doug Lowenstein's ego." [28]

"Do you need an IQ below room temp to be a gamer and post here?" [29]

"Jack Thompson keeps racking up wins and you gamers just can't handle the truth. What's the truth? It is this: Adults with common sense and common decency who respect law enforcement are still running this country. Video gamers are not, and never will..." [30]

"Sonny, if you have been to an evangelical church lately, then you know there is nothing 'organized' about this religion. Hooah!" [31]

"With enemies like you Pixelantes and like Game Daily Biz, why, I don't need any friends. You honor me with your hatred. I serve the Lord Jesus Christ, and you hate me because the world first hated Him. I follow the Creator of the Universe, and He has taken me to the Gates of Hell, and I kind of like it in here." [32]

"You all need to put down the controllers, get a life, and join the Force, thereby leaving the Dark Side behind. Hooah! Praise be to the Lord, Jesus Christ, the author of all things, even of The Florida Freaking Bar." [33]

""Get behind me Satan" Thats you, junior" Thompson to Tim Kowalenko [34]

Another response from Jack to a few questions

Jack Thompson Saying that Vince Desi and the postal games are murder simulators to practice the killing of Jews

"Postal 2 is a game that targets people because of their minority status. Why am I not surprised that all you white bread crackers here at GamePolitics don't have a problem with that?" [35]

"Right, got it hun. I'll pray you have no more children" (said to gamer parent)

"Why don't you go buy a suicide game, practice that, and get real good at it."(said to prank caller)link

"We don’t need to play the game; it’s irrelevant to the subject." [36] (in response to an interviewer's question about the fairness of protesting a game that has not yet been released)

"PWNED Is Not a Word... as it is in serious need of a vowel movement. Somebody get Vanna White on the phone to buy one. Having said that, this entire site has been "pwned" by Jack Thompson today, and you pixelantes don't even know it." [37]

"Finally, kids, really, get a life. Put down the controllers, pop a beverage, watch the Super Bowl, and enjoy what is left of the land of the increasingly un-free and the totally depraved. Hooah! Jack Thompson"[38]

"These flowers were sent to harass me." [39]

"Listen up, Joystiq Jackasses!"[40]

"Ah, video gamer/pixelantes are the domestic version of radical Islamists as you continually threaten with violence those who simply disagree with you. How terribly revealing." [41]

"You've been pwned."[42]

"Video game technology is neutral as well. It is the most powerful teaching tool ever created. It can teach life or it can teach death."[43]

"The word is spelled "mischievous." Put down the controller and buy a dictionary. Jcak tpmsohon"

"Is that the best you can do, punk?"

Rekhyt
Mar 02 2007, 06:21 PM
Did he just compare himself to Jesus?

"Jack Thompson keeps racking up wins and you gamers just can't handle the truth. What's the truth? It is this: Adults with common sense and common decency who respect law enforcement are still running this country. Video gamers are not, and never will..."

1.He is yet to win an important case about games.
2. Gamers are not a political party (although i would like to form it)

Ringlets
Mar 02 2007, 06:24 PM
Lol. I still want to find the full copies of those letters sent by Take-Two. They got a reply saying the thing about "These flowers were sent to harrass me". They only gave them to him to try and persuade him to have a nice sit down chat

Rekhyt
Mar 02 2007, 06:58 PM
Actually it had nothing to do with take two. It was sone by a couple of random gamers. Just further proof Jack should not be allowed to speak in public.

Also i found these links:
http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1137635340.3198.html
The sad stroy of misinterpritation of the press and the suicide of a Metal Gear fan pushed over the edge by financial and school problems.

and this article about Jack Thompson mocking the guy:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/thompson/thompson-on-the-gamer-suicide-149939.php

In general the guy's a total douche bag.

Ringlets
Apr 22 2007, 08:43 PM
I've seen alot of hate towards this guy, especially in the Virginia Tech thread. So now post all your funny videos about this douche. I think this is the best one-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dal-0Z27_CM

Misschoco
Apr 22 2007, 08:56 PM
here are my views on him



"Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise...contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair." [1]
then dont play it

"Honestly, are all of you gamers on drugs, or what?" - Thompson to Scott Ramsoomair [2]
no we smoke weed <_<


"Are you, crazy? ... People are threatening to kill me. Either report what I have said, having been provided the emails, or stop bothering me." - Thompson to GameSpot. [5]
wheres my friggin nunchuk


"The Bible doesn't promote killing innocent people, Grand Theft Auto does. Islam does. Islam promotes the killing of innocent people.
i swear to god im gona march right up to him and shove that quote up his arse


"You just watch. There is going to be a Columbine-times-10 incident, and everyone will finally get it. Either that, or some video gamer is going to go Columbine at some video game exec's expense or at E3, and then the industry will begin to realize that there is no place to hide, that it has trained a nation of Manchurian Children." [11]
*sarcasm* oh yh i play games and im gona seige a school and kill 40 people cause the guy san adreas did ;)


"At least I'm not a a coward like all of you nerds here, who hide behind anonymous avatars. How sad." [22]
excuse me you fat piece of lard :nag: :nag: :nag: :nag:


"What the Japanese are doing to our kids is insensitive and racist. The Japanese have for a very long time dumped pornography into this country in a fashion they would not tolerate in their own country. It is another version of Pearl Harbor." [24]
the japanese have brains.not a hollow head like yours gay jack


"PWNED Is Not a Word... as it is in serious need of a vowel movement. Somebody get Vanna White on the phone to buy one. Having said that, this entire site has been "pwned" by Jack Thompson today, and you pixelantes don't even know it." [37]

well duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


"Finally, kids, really, get a life. Put down the controllers, pop a beverage, watch the Super Bowl, and enjoy what is left of the land of the increasingly un-free and the totally depraved. Hooah! Jack Thompson"[38]
f*** you


"These flowers were sent to harass me." [39]
and so was i


"Listen up, Joystiq Jackasses!"[40]
yup were listening


"You've been pwned."[42]
*pwns lard known as jack*


"The word is spelled "mischievous." Put down the controller and buy a dictionary. Jcak tpmsohon"
i happen to have a controller and 2 dictionarys :nag: :nag: :nag:

Ringlets
Apr 22 2007, 09:12 PM
Preach!
His responses resemble those of "so's your face". They make no sense, and make you more annoyed then a well constructed arguement.

Misschoco
Apr 22 2007, 09:17 PM
Preach!
His responses resemble those of "so's your face". They make no sense, and make you more annoyed then a well constructed arguement.

goes to show his intellegence-thats why he says all that crap

OH GOD ITS HIDEOUS *MY EYES*

http://ps3.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/50649/Jack_Thompson_Oz.jpg

Enedok
Apr 22 2007, 10:23 PM
He has so no idea what hes talking about. This he says about CS:
Where the objective is to blow away as many as many people you can, in the shortest period of time with as many different weapons as possible.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Good to see you at least tried the game yourself. NOT!

Kitmitsu
Apr 22 2007, 11:06 PM
He's such a moron! Those responses just prove first of all that he is lying to people about the general life of a gamer and second of all he has to respond to gamers who prove hes lying with sarcasm.

I love that definition of CS GHenrik XD I think he just sees a screenshot of a game and makes assumptions of what the plot is. Does sound like a fun game he came up with though.

[teehee
Apr 22 2007, 11:13 PM
Well, the aim of the game IS to slaughter the other people and blow the place up (For terrorists anyway) xD

He is quite wrong, though.

Wind
Apr 23 2007, 12:47 AM
Im surprised JT hasnt bombared the mmos yet. Hes done such a fine and dandy job at bashing everyone else and the japanese :P. I can see him now.

"MMOs cause people to become loners and dont eat nutiritonal foods. This causes them to act erratic and be like on drugs. I promote like what they did over in China and have everyone be on a time limit on the internets"

Honestly though arent most pornos done in the us versus japan? :rolleyes:

ozonez
Apr 23 2007, 01:08 AM
""Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise...contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair." [1]"

Read about this, The section of EA games who make the sims sent Thompson a message that said:

"If you remove the blur effects from the characters in The Sims, you will find they are little more then dolls. Like a naked Barbie Doll." < something like that.

EA owned his arse.

"Honestly, are all of you gamers on drugs, or what?" - Thompson to Scott Ramsoomair [2]"

No, alcohol and energy Drink....like everyone else in the world.

"Are you, crazy? ... People are threatening to kill me. Either report what I have said, having been provided the emails, or stop bothering me." - Thompson to GameSpot. [5]"

lol

"Finally, kids, really, get a life. Put down the controllers, pop a beverage, watch the Super Bowl, and enjoy what is left of the land of the increasingly un-free and the totally depraved. Hooah! Jack Thompson"[38]"

TV is more boring and pointless then video games. Also the Super Bowl is

a) a contact sport
b) in video game form

why would watching it not WARP our minds into hitting people with bats?

"These flowers were sent to harass me." [39]"

Dear god, is Jack Thompson married. Family Guy have to do an episode on this guy:

*Jack Thompson is sitting in bed*

*Jack Thompsons wife comes in*

Jack Thompsons Wife: Oh Jackkkkkkkkkk ive got a surprise for you...

*Jack Thompsons wife make sexually advancements towards Jack*

Jack Thompsons: GET AWAY FROM ME YOU VILE GAME PLAYING FREAK. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT MYSELF AS A AMERICAN CIVILIAN *SPRAYS PEPPER SPRAY IN HER EYES* STOP HARRASSING ME!!!

"Listen up, Joystiq Jackasses!"[40]"

I don't know what girls do with Joysticks...but i don't shove them up my arse.

Rev-SQ
Apr 23 2007, 02:03 AM
Holy shit what a fag. I don't usually spam like this, but I'll make one exception. OMG YOU FUCKING FAG GO TO HELL AND SUCK YOU MOM'S BALLS. Videogames rock.

Flint
Apr 23 2007, 02:22 PM
Ringlets, that is an excellent list of quotes! I can't believe some of the things Jack Thompson has said - he's a racist, hateful, ignorant, delusional cretin and yet he has the audacity to put himself forward as some kind of bastion of American values??

Let's see if I've got this right, he hates all the following:

Gamers
Game developers
Japanese people
Scottish people
Muslims and other non-christians

...and probably a load of other groups, too.

America can really do without this idiot putting himself forward as some kind of moral guardian of the people. Does he not realise that his hateful comments do far more harm than good?

Ringlets
Apr 23 2007, 04:10 PM
Unfortunatly the media sensationalises everything in every Western Country. Too many people believe what the media says. Remember Bird Flu? Everyone was scared shit-less, then it just disapeared. Jack Thompson just uses the media and the lack of parental knowledge towards videogames to his advantage. If he can feed more information to parents then anyone else can, then he becomes the truth.

Flint
Apr 23 2007, 05:05 PM
Unfortunatly the media sensationalises everything in every Western Country. Too many people believe what the media says. Remember Bird Flu? Everyone was scared shit-less, then it just disapeared.

The worst one I remember was all the fuss about the millenium bug - people thought it was going to be the end of the world, and that civilisation as we know it would collapse, just because some computers couldn't handle the year changing from 1999 to 2000. I remember hearing that some people built WW2 style shelters stocked full of food and supplies in case the sky fell on their house or something. But of course it was all over-hyped by the media and the actual problem was easily solved. It just shows that the general media haven't got a clue about anything, and of course they won't let the facts get in the way of a juicy story.


Jack Thompson just uses the media and the lack of parental knowledge towards videogames to his advantage. If he can feed more information to parents then anyone else can, then he becomes the truth.

Reminds me of the old saying "those who shout the loudest often have the least to say" (or something like that). What Jack Thompson says is completely lacking in any substance and is mostly just ill-informed scaremongering. But if parents are believing him then it just goes to show how bad the games industry is at making itself understood by the general public. It needs to be making more of an effort to educate parents about age ratings and such, and doing it in a way that is clear and level-headed. Having some idiot spouting reactionist nonsense does no-one any good at all.

[teehee
Apr 23 2007, 05:49 PM
Unfortunatly the media sensationalises everything in every Western Country. Too many people believe what the media says. Remember Bird Flu? Everyone was scared shit-less, then it just disapeared.

Probably because loads of people stopped buying chicken. :lol: I was never too bothered about it, didnt really change my life. D:

Misschoco
Apr 23 2007, 09:26 PM
Holy shit what a fag. I don't usually spam like this, but I'll make one exception. OMG YOU FUCKING FAG GO TO HELL AND SUCK YOU MOM'S BALLS. Videogames rock.

yes thank you :crazy:

exactly what i thought of saying

Kitmitsu
Apr 24 2007, 12:21 AM
LMFAO! Now Jack is trying to get the FBI onto Kotaku! :lmao::lmao::lmao:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/original/thompson-calls-for-fbi-investigation-of-kotaku-254631.php

How the hell can he call himself a LAWYER if he doesn't even understand basic laws like free press and free speech!.

I love the "Dear FBI" bit XD

Ringlets
Apr 24 2007, 05:47 PM
Just found this on Wikiquote-

"Kids don't have liberties. Do your research"

"Right, got it hun. I'll pray you have no more children" (said to gamer parent)

"WARNING! FACT ALERT FOR ALL KNUCKLEHEAD PIXELANTES!"

Misschoco
Apr 24 2007, 09:11 PM
Just found this on Wikiquote-

"Kids don't have liberties. Do your research"
i swear to god im gona march up to him someday and strangle him :nag: anyone wana join me??????

Ringlets
Apr 24 2007, 09:13 PM
i swear to god im gona march up to him someday and strangle him :nag: anyone wana join me??????

i think anyone who has ever started a PC game wants to march up and strangle him. im in.:nag:

Misschoco
Apr 24 2007, 09:56 PM
i think anyone who has ever started a PC game wants to march up and strangle him. im in.:nag:

great now we need more members:nod:

i was thinking of a nunchuk as the weapon of strangulation

Rev-SQ
Apr 25 2007, 03:51 AM
LMFAO! Now Jack is trying to get the FBI onto Kotaku! :lmao::lmao::lmao:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/original/thompson-calls-for-fbi-investigation-of-kotaku-254631.php

How the hell can he call himself a LAWYER if he doesn't even understand basic laws like free press and free speech!.

I love the "Dear FBI" bit XD
LOL I am sooooo bookmarking that page. What an idiot.

Nunchaks aren't violent enough for us video gamers. Let's copy Final Fantasy and unleash giant bolts of lightning on him! Or better yet, let's get Wakka to beat him over the head with his own spleen! Then he'll be sorry! [/sarcasm]

Misschoco
Apr 25 2007, 08:26 PM
Nunchaks aren't violent enough for us video gamers. Let's copy Final Fantasy and unleash giant bolts of lightning on him! Or better yet, let's get Wakka to beat him over the head with his own spleen! Then he'll be sorry! [/sarcasm]

if not nuchuk then i'll suggest the 3 sectional staff

hard to use but deadly.now me and ringlets gota find jack and finish the job :shifty:

Kitmitsu
Apr 25 2007, 08:30 PM
Or how about a key? In Kingdom Hearts they obviously use it because it's less violent than a sword but beating someone up with a huge chunk of metal like that wouldn't leave much of Jack left. Uh-oh hope he doesn't report us to the FBI for conspiring to kill him.

Misschoco
Apr 25 2007, 08:34 PM
Uh-oh hope he doesn't report us to the FBI for conspiring to kill him.
another reason to beat the crap out jack

a keys not bad..............

but what about knuckle dusters :shifty: ..................................

Rev-SQ
Apr 25 2007, 11:06 PM
Let's choke him with the key instead! :)

Interficio Nocte
Apr 26 2007, 03:22 AM
Why not make a nunchuk out of two keyblades.........use THAT.:)

Misschoco
Apr 26 2007, 09:57 PM
maybe we should just become one big jack hater mafia(anyone care to join??) and kill him with our weapon of choice....mine being the nunchuk

now to hunt him down................

Rev-SQ
Apr 26 2007, 10:33 PM
I is to joining!

My weapon of choice is... Pornographic videogames! :) If that won't kill Jack, I don't know what will.

Misschoco
Apr 27 2007, 08:32 PM
I is to joining!

My weapon of choice is... Pornographic videogames! :) If that won't kill Jack, I don't know what will.

welcome to the team

ows my knuckle dusters???:rolleyes:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/07/250px-Brass_knuckles.jpg

although your idea about choking him with a key was not bad

now how to shove it down his throat??.......................

XxFeaRLeSsxX
Apr 29 2007, 04:02 AM
Chain him down ^___^

Misschoco
Apr 29 2007, 02:11 PM
Chain him down ^___^

ahhh yes fearless you may join our jack thompson haterz campaign

i suggest we chain him and throw him into niagara falls

Ringlets
Apr 29 2007, 04:44 PM
ahhh yes fearless you may join our jack thompson haterz campaign

i suggest we chain him and throw him into niagara falls

He could survive that. Save time. Into a volcano he goes.

Rev-SQ
Apr 29 2007, 05:35 PM
He could survive that. Save time. Into a volcano he goes.
Ok, first we tie him up in iron chains, then we choke him with a key, after which we puch him into an erupting volcano of pr0n with misschoco's knuckle dusters.

Ringlets
Apr 29 2007, 07:08 PM
Ok, first we tie him up in iron chains, then we choke him with a key, after which we puch him into an erupting volcano of pr0n with misschoco's knuckle dusters.

Just for fun, it can be a keyblade. More gaming references to kill him with. The iron chains are actually made from take-two's most violent games.

XxFeaRLeSsxX
Apr 29 2007, 07:11 PM
Ok, first we tie him up in iron chains, then we choke him with a key, after which we puch him into an erupting volcano of pr0n with misschoco's knuckle dusters.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAY!

Misschoco
Apr 29 2007, 07:12 PM
Ok, first we tie him up in iron chains, then we choke him with a key, after which we puch him into an erupting volcano of pr0n with misschoco's knuckle dusters.

so we tie him up with iron chains choke him with a key then gag his mouth possibly with a large apple then we kick him in the groin hold him over a volcano in hawaii and punch him down using my knuckle dusters

and if he manages to survive that then we'll strangle him with a skipping rope ^_^

XxFeaRLeSsxX
Apr 29 2007, 07:18 PM
so we tie him up with iron chains choke him with a key then gag his mouth possibly with a large apple then we kick him in the groin hold him over a volcano in hawaii and punch him down using my knuckle dusters

and if he manages to survive that then we'll strangle him with a skipping rope ^_^

^_^ *whistles* And he survives that (not likely) we can chain him to this 100-pound weight thingy and throw him into the ocean!

Misschoco
Apr 29 2007, 07:22 PM
^_^ *whistles* And he survives that (not likely) we can chain him to this 100-pound weight thingy and throw him into the ocean!

......throw him into a volcano in the ocean floor then the volcano with suck him into the middle of the earth and obliterate him

and if that doesn't kill him oh god what will

XxFeaRLeSsxX
Apr 30 2007, 04:01 AM
......throw him into a volcano in the ocean floor then the volcano with suck him into the middle of the earth and obliterate him

and if that doesn't kill him oh god what will

omg reading and replying to this ironically gives me this weird bubbly feeling lol

Misschoco
Apr 30 2007, 06:46 PM
omg reading and replying to this ironically gives me this weird bubbly feeling lol
.........the bubbly feeling of inflicting revenge on JACK

so i was thinking how about we shoot his volcanic remains into the sun :crazy:

XxFeaRLeSsxX
May 01 2007, 03:55 AM
.........the bubbly feeling of inflicting revenge on JACK

so i was thinking how about we shoot his volcanic remains into the sun :crazy:

And watch it explode through a telescope into nothing-ness! YAY! ^_^

...We should have a BIG celebration afterwards :nod: